Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
Is it the place of anyone to speak for others, regardless of skin color? Do people of color need white people to tell them what is best for them?
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Apparently some Democrats don't think black people can think for themselves
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PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
Not telling you what to do. But my personal advice is to tread cautiously as the race threads I've seen on RF before often resulted in hurt feelings as it's a sensitive subject.
For that reason, I don't want to post any further here. I'll just say that my views mostly align with the Democrats on racial issues, even if I don't understand all the Politically Correct language to use.
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
PC aside, what are the Democrats views on race?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes it is very much the place of some to speak for others. That is mostly what politics consists of, when you think about it. Certain people have the gift, or the job, even, of speaking up for groups that may not have found a voice themselves.
Speaking for others is not at all the same as telling others what to do, or what is best for them. That can very easily be seen as arrogant or patronising, unless the people involved have invited advice on the matter.
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
This thread is dedicated to race and politics. If you are a Black American Voter, are you stupid for voting Republican?
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
But what if they are wrong?
YMMV with that concept.... So, just going on my life experience:
1) Black males aren't married to politics and their ideas are mostly in motion as a reflection of their life situation. They typically will vote for whomever is directly helping them. A huge amount of them are swinging Trump in the next election as they've benefited directly by his policies and to some extent it's all meat and potatoes with them.
2) Black females tend to vote on a more emotional basis and the politics aren't as important to them. If they don't like them they won't vote for them. They usually don't care as much about particular issues and in many cases vote with their family or friends rather than make so much of that decision themselves.
Personally, I hate thinking of people in terms of colors but it doesn't matter what I think about it if someone else heavily identifies with the concept themselves. To me, I think we're all spiritual beings and race is completely and utterly irrelevant. Under the meat suit, everyone is a perfect spiritual being not a color, not a victim, and not their identity... Which lasts only as long as the meat suit holds up...
exchemist
Veteran Member
Then they are wrong. People have been known to be wrong.
What happens then is that they cease to be useful advocates, I imagine. Do you have something specific in mind here?
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
"Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
--Joe Biden
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It's certainly foolish for anyone to vote against their own interests, so essentially anyone who votes Republican and isn't a rich, white, christian male.
The video pointed out anecdotal stories of white liberals acting like buffoons. Of course, one could probably find plenty of stories of conservatives acting like buffoons, some even at the highest levels of government. Biden, too, has had occasional moments of buffoonery.
I don't know what any of it proves. People, regardless of skin color, can vote for whichever candidate they wish based on their own values and philosophical/ideological position. The idea of pigeon-holing people into "voting blocs" based on race does seem questionable to me, although that's mostly the domain of pollsters and pundits.
Apart from that, there are plenty of Black conservatives who support Trump. This is no real great secret. I don't know what the latest polls show.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Ah I see. So you're just indulging in a piece of party politicking. I thought there might be more to it.
But he's right, basically: Trump is a dogwhistling racist.
There are no doubt well-off black people in the US who may be natural Republican voters and who may vote for Trump. That's normal. But it isn't in the interests of most black people to vote in a racist again. And that particular comment by Biden does not seem to have damaged his support much with the black vote, according to the polls, unless I've missed something. So they seem to have understood it in the spirit in which it was intended. Unless of course you have polling evidence to the contrary. Do you?
Trump's pulling a whopping 8% of the black vote
Tumah
Veteran Member
Have you heard of Jason Riley?
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
I just Googled this guy. Thanks for that info.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Do you?
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
There we go again: "racist, racist racist"
Nothing defines a person's worth as when you call out their skin color...
"Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
--Joe Biden
I think pretty much anyone who isn't a rich white conservative male is voting against their interests voting Trump. That doesn't mean I think they're stupid, but it does mean I think I see a pattern of behavior others might be missing. But they're free to make that decision for themselves. I won't stop them in any way.