Appeals court: 'There is a direct linkage' between Trump and Capitol riots

[anna.]

I don't think trump has the courage to run again unless he's guaranteed he will have a way into office. I'm concerned about what some states are setting up in their election commissions. And with many voting laws that will limit access to polls.

I think he's just grifting for as much as he can get from his base while he runs out the clock until he has to declare one way or the other. Could be wrong, I know. The danger is in ending up with someone who's as bad as him only smarter.

 

[anna.]

 

[metis]

"The January 6th Committee has also demonstrated a sound factual predicate for requesting these presidential documents specifically," the court writes. "There is a direct linkage between the former President and the events of the day."

I really don't have much doubt left that he did, however I'm still reserving some judgement as I would also like to see some of the details. Trump has a notoriety of being a con man, but he's just smart enough so as to let others take the "fall" so he doesn't. Just ask Michael Cohen about that, who obviously went to prison defending Trump.

 

[metis]

And that threat is far from being over.

 

[metis]

Direct linkage or not, it doesn't change the fact that Trump is a narccissist.

And, imo, a traitor who has been trying to end our democracy, and the "smoking gun" on that was Trump's recorded phone call to the Republican SoS in Georgia to try and get him to "find ballots" so as to put him over the top.

Here is that recording: Full Phone Call: Trump Pressures Georgia Secretary of State To Recount Election Votes | NBC News - YouTube

 

[anna.]

I really don't have much doubt left that he did, however I'm still reserving some judgement as I would also like to see some of the details. Trump has a notoriety of being a con man, but he's just smart enough so as to let others take the "fall" so he doesn't. Just ask Michael Cohen about that, who obviously went to prison defending Trump.

We would've had so much detail by now if he hadn't been stonewalling through the courts these past years, most recently trying to hid his presidential call logs. I'd like to know why Mueller held back, I'd like to see the complete Mueller report, unredacted. I'd like see Trump's tax returns. The note he ate after he met with Cohen. What Trump and Putin talked about when Trump repeatedly barred aides from their one on ones. And on and on.

Mueller let us down, and I don't know exactly why. The country needs the Jan. 6 committee to come through with all the truth.

 

[anna.]

And, imo, a traitor who has been trying to end our democracy, and the "smoking gun" on that was Trump's recorded phone call to the Republican SoS in Georgia to try and get him to "find ballots" so as to put him over the top.

Here is that recording: Full Phone Call: Trump Pressures Georgia Secretary of State To Recount Election Votes | NBC News - YouTube

Absolutely 100%.

 

[F1fan]

I think he's just grifting for as much as he can get from his base while he runs out the clock until he has to declare one way or the other. Could be wrong, I know. The danger is in ending up with someone who's as bad as him only smarter.

What worries me is that even the conservatives in this forum avoid this topic. They just sit back and say nothing. I'm not sure I've read any of them say that democracy is important, election integrity needs to be maintained, and that ALL citizens have the right to vote.

 

[anna.]

And that threat is far from being over.

Ron DeSantis comes to mind.

 

[anna.]

What worries me is that even the conservatives in this forum avoid this topic. They just sit back and say nothing. I'm not sure I've read any of them say that democracy is important, election integrity needs to be maintained, and that ALL citizens have the right to vote.

I don't know them well enough here myself to know, but about people elsewhere I can say with certainty that they're not saying anything because they actively support the idea of a Trump coup, and they're satisfied with the idea of Trump as God's strongman - whatever it takes. They want a theocratic, authoritarian government. (Notably, I see them say little about the Constitution anymore unless it involves the 2A). They wouldn't see it as a coup though, they'd see it as Trump retaking the presidency he and they believe was taken from him. They live in a fantasyland as every single state audit has proved them wrong, but as Leon Festinger well knew, the more you present them facts the more they dig in their heels.

 

[metis]

We would've had so much detail by now if he hadn't been stonewalling through the courts these past years, most recently trying to hid his presidential call logs. I'd like to know why Mueller held back, I'd like to see the complete Mueller report, unredacted. I'd like see Trump's tax returns. The note he ate after he met with Cohen. What Trump and Putin talked about when Trump repeatedly barred aides from their one on ones. And on and on.

Mueller let us down, and I don't know exactly why. The country needs the Jan. 6 committee to come through with all the truth.

I think that Mueller felt that going after Trump on that would probably put a stop on him having access to the information he needed, plus he probably realized that it's best to go with what he could pin on Trump, especially since he wouldn't likely be removed anyway because of the Pub's partisan politics.

 

[F1fan]

And, imo, a traitor who has been trying to end our democracy, and the "smoking gun" on that was Trump's recorded phone call to the Republican SoS in Georgia to try and get him to "find ballots" so as to put him over the top.

Here is that recording: Full Phone Call: Trump Pressures Georgia Secretary of State To Recount Election Votes | NBC News - YouTube

Trump is being investigated for election interference in GA. Given that trump has been supporting Purdue and against Kemp for governor I don't think Kemp will have any reason to influence that investigation.

It's 11 months until the mid-terms and there had better be some justice doled out against those actors who conspired and conspire against democracy. The executive can't do anything. So the courts seem to be the only way to stop the outrageous and corrupt actions against democracy.

 

[metis]

Ron DeSantis comes to mind.

And Abbott, and ...

Obviously, democratic values ain't their forte.

 

[anna.]

I think that Mueller felt that going after Trump on that would probably put a stop on him having access to the information he needed, plus he probably realized that it's best to go with what he could pin on Trump, especially since he wouldn't likely be removed anyway because of the Pub's partisan politics.

Yeah I've thought those things too, and that Mueller had an old-school honor about not exceeding his purview, but unfortunately too many have respected the chain of command at the expense of the country's wellbeing.

 

[metis]

Yeah I've thought those things too, and that Mueller had an old-school honor about not exceeding his purview, but unfortunately too many have respected the chain of command at the expense of the country's wellbeing.

And the irony is that he and the Dems are playing by the rules, but the majority of congressional Pubs and Donald J. Trump ain't.

For example, the ignoring of the subpoenas of the January 6th Committee, as the Constitution clearly states that the House does have the right of "oversight".

 

[anna.]

Trump is being investigated for election interference in GA. Given that trump has been supporting Purdue and against Kemp for governor I don't think Kemp will have any reason to influence that investigation.

And Perdue has just said that he wouldn't have certified the presidential election results. Is he playing to Trump's base for votes? Maybe. But there are too many out there like him, and they're playing fast and loose with the democratic and constitutional process.

It's 11 months until the mid-terms and there had better be some justice doled out against those actors who conspired and conspire against democracy. The executive can't do anything. So the courts seem to be the only way to stop the outrageous and corrupt actions against democracy.

I'll admit. I've very worried.

 

[sun rise]

To be honest more then what's in charge now.

So a destructive narcissist who would turn the US into a pale imitation of Putin's dictatorship is better than an honest (for a politician) man who is restoring America's God given place in the world. And you call a man a "what" - a thing.

Well, this is what trump is to me

 

[anna.]

And the irony is that he and the Dems are playing by the rules, but the majority of congressional Pubs and Donald J. Trump ain't.

For example, the ignoring of the subpoenas of the January 6th Committee, as the Constitution clearly states that the House does have the right of "oversight".

Which is why I was fully supportive of The Lincoln Project. Being former and/or never-trumper Republicans, they know how to fight hard and fight dirty in a way that the Democrats don't know how to do, for better or for worse. Democrats bring pillows to their knife fights, unfortunately. They've got to stop doing that.

 

[sun rise]

We will see if America wants to stay on the same path with Trump others will run for the seat in the republican party - will he get the nomination when the time comes?

There are very few real Republicans left and they are being cancelled by the authoritarian wreckage that Trump nurtured.

 

[F1fan]

I don't know them well enough here myself to know, but about people elsewhere I can say with certainty that they're not saying anything because they actively support the idea of a Trump coup, and they're satisfied with the idea of Trump as God's strongman - whatever it takes. They want a theocratic, authoritarian government. Notably, I see them say little about the Constitution anymore (unless it involves the 2A). They wouldn't see it as a coup though, they'd see it as Trump retaking the presidency he and they believe was taken from him. They live in a fantasyland as every single state audit has proved them wrong, but as Leon Festinger well knew, the more you present them facts the more they dig in their heels.

With the heavy influence of right wing disinformation media I doubt they have a clear understanding of all the corruption and lies. I think the only way to get through to them is if these bad actors are indicted and face trial. Trump facing trial in GA would be a huge step towards there being a warning to trump supporters. That is a criminal charge, so he can't think he'd just skate by with a fine like with his man civil lawsuit losses.

The fact trump said he wants to "find" just two more votes than what he lost by in GA (11778 votes) suggests he KNEW he was asking for the GA election board to add that many votes fraudulently, and invite them into a conspiracy to commit fraud. It's interesting how much this backs up what Cohen says about the way trump talks, in code, not directly. Trump didn't ask directly for the GA elections board to add votes. But it is clear his intent is for them to do this, because it is absurd that the EB can just "find" a specific number of votes out of nowhere that would just be enough for trump to win the state.

I can't believe this phone call wasn't enough to turn off republicans. It's an indication that they have abandoned all ethics and character.