Are all creationist dishonest?

[outhouse]

thread, after thread, after thread when presented with evidence they almost always end up being dishonest and more then not, there dishonest with themselves.

evidence is evidence and facts are facts, there is no debate about evolution.

I have seen some bring the same point up 20 times after seeing proof with evidence on every account.

will the dishonesty stop ????

 

[Riverwolf]

No, not all of them. Others are simply either misinformed or uninformed.

 

[Valjean]

Depends how you define "honest," I'd say.

I believe most are true believers; ill informed, but sincere.

 

[Dan4reason]

thread, after thread, after thread when presented with evidence they almost always end up being dishonest and more then not, there dishonest with themselves.

evidence is evidence and facts are facts, there is no debate about evolution.

I have seen some bring the same point up 20 times after seeing proof with evidence on every account.

will the dishonesty stop ????

No. Many are just in denial. Others believe because of the bible and try to make the evidence fit their ideas rather than have their ideas fit the evidence.

 

[connerb]

evolutionists are just as stubborn. when shown evidence contradictory to evolution they find some excuse not to accept it.

 

[Riverwolf]

evolutionists are just as stubborn. when shown evidence contradictory to evolution they find some excuse not to accept it.

What evidence are you talking about? I've never seen any.

 

[connerb]

maybe you did not see it because your eyes were closed. there is none so blind as he who will not see

 

[Father Heathen]

evolutionists are just as stubborn. when shown evidence contradictory to evolution they find some excuse not to accept it.

Could you please present this "evidence" that you claim exists? Or are you just going to provide another example of creationists being dishonest?

 

[Revoltingest]

I know creationists who are very honest. I trust one of'm to broker multi-million dollar
deals on my behalf. But his take on science & religion differ from mine somewhat.

 

[Father Heathen]

I know creationists who are very honest. I trust one of'm to broker multi-million dollar
deals on my behalf. But his take on science & religion differ from mine somewhat.

When someone tosses a rock into the sky, it's still going to come back down regardless of what one's "take" on it might be.

 

[Revoltingest]

When someone tosses a rock into the sky, it's still going to come back down regardless of what one's "take" on it might be.

This is true.
But your analogy (I presume) is beyond me.

 

[connerb]

I am willing to consider that the entire universe may have once been the size of a grain of sand and suddenly exploded into all the stars and planets. are you willing to consider that that "big bang" may have been triggered by some greater force ( maybe God) ? of course you can not prove without a doubt that the universe started that way and I can't prove God was behind it but but you simply say God is not possible but I say the big bang is possible. Who is more stubborn and unwilling to look at evidence?

 

[outhouse]

I am willing to consider that the entire universe may have once been the size of a grain of sand and suddenly exploded into all the stars and planets. are you willing to consider that that "big bang" may have been triggered by some greater force ( maybe God) ? of course you can not prove without a doubt that the universe started that way and I can't prove God was behind it but but you simply say God is not possible but I say the big bang is possible. Who is more stubborn and unwilling to look at evidence?

I understand where you going with this and that is fine. Its a gray area and we dont know allot about 13.7 billion years ago to say one way or the other.

If I said yes your god stepped in then and just made the explosion and then stood back and for billions of years and watched his beauty! would that make you happy? I look it as accepting imagination to fill in the blanks of what man doesnt know. Ill take a scientist guess over my imagination but science doesnt hand out guesses that way so im stuck.

 

[outhouse]

Depends how you define "honest," I'd say.

I believe most are true believers; ill informed, but sincere.

Inside themselves when thinking about this, and evidence and facts that are shown to them and then how stubborn they are,, they know there crossing the line and there thoughts of doing the right thing by there god they beleive in makes them feel better about the lie's they tell themselves.

They all know, there not blind. They just cant come out in public or in a forum and admist the truth

YOUR right it does depend on how you define it, but a conscious line has been crossed .

frubals

 

[outhouse]

evolutionists are just as stubborn. when shown evidence contradictory to evolution they find some excuse not to accept it.

Connerb bud.

Evolution is a desciption of observable facts, there is no debate.

There is no evidence nor has any every been found that changes a hair on evolutions head.

As a matter of fact its just the opposite, the longer we go on the more evidence and proof that falls into place and backs it like the solid foundation it is.

Theres two kinds of people

One that believes

And one that will if he lives long enough

 

[Riverwolf]

maybe you did not see it because your eyes were closed. there is none so blind as he who will not see

Translation: you don't have it?

If my eyes are closed, open them.

 

[Riverwolf]

I am willing to consider that the entire universe may have once been the size of a grain of sand and suddenly exploded into all the stars and planets.

Well, first of all, the singularity was actually supposed to be smaller than an atom; it's often described as "infinitely small", whatever that's supposed to mean.

And second, it's much more complicated than that.

...but but you simply say God is not possible...

Uh, no they don't. Sure, some atheists say that, but most of the ones I've interacted with or heard about say that there's no evidence for God, and therefore they don't believe. They don't say that God cannot possibly exist.

But put that aside, and I ask: what does the Big Bang theory have to do with evolution? Big Bang is astrophysics; evolution is biology. Those are COMPLETELY different fields of science, and an expert in one isn't necessarily going to be an expert in the other.

 

[outhouse]

Translation: you don't have it?

I think he forgets or just doesnt know that evolution was thought up by creationist who witnessed facts and wrote them down and then the creationist idea grew.

I dont think he understands that this is not two camps either. ! being those dang atheist evolution's LOL and the other those god loving christian creationist. FACT IS many evolutionist are christians, I would hate to put a number on it as the percentage is very high.

 

[Alceste]

thread, after thread, after thread when presented with evidence they almost always end up being dishonest and more then not, there dishonest with themselves.

evidence is evidence and facts are facts, there is no debate about evolution.

I have seen some bring the same point up 20 times after seeing proof with evidence on every account.

will the dishonesty stop ????

In general, they are utterly convinced evolution is a matter of opinion rather than a fact, and they only read sources that reiterate this position.

So, if you think you're talking about an opinion, there's no reason to probe too deeply into your opponent's evidence. For example, if I like the colour indigo better than mustard, it's not going to matter how many studies I show you indicating indigo is a superior colour if you yourself prefer mustard. In fact, you might be likely to dismiss all those studies without even looking at them out of a conviction that such a thing would be impossible to study, and that all my studies of indigo must be part of a vast conspiracy of indigo-lovers to suppress the appeal of mustard.

The dishonesty will never stop. They don't even know they're doing it. It feels like honesty to them. With the magic of confirmation bias and the internet, they can construct intellectual defenses that are utterly impermeable to facts.

The creationists who are able or willing to consider facts that challenge the dogma they are taught in church have either already accepted evolution or will the moment they become properly acquainted with it. The rest are a lost cause.

That's what I've observed, anyway.

 

[Alceste]

I am willing to consider that the entire universe may have once been the size of a grain of sand and suddenly exploded into all the stars and planets. are you willing to consider that that "big bang" may have been triggered by some greater force ( maybe God) ? of course you can not prove without a doubt that the universe started that way and I can't prove God was behind it but but you simply say God is not possible but I say the big bang is possible. Who is more stubborn and unwilling to look at evidence?

The big bang theory has nothing to do with evolution.