Are all gods illiterate

[outhouse]

...because it's by those standards and rules that we can be most effectively communicated and reasoned with, perhaps?

kind of rounding out my point.

we wouldnt have a book that contradicts itself, speaks in hard to understand language, allegory, oarables and metaphors that represents what man would write.

it would not evolve with the people and only for one group of people BUT ALL MANKIND

it would be a guide for all, and would be filled with lessons on communication and how to get along and not be so dang violent.

instead we see a book created and written by man, that mirrors ancient mans culture as it changed

 

[Erebus]

fact is much of the ten commandments mirror the egyptian book of the dead, almost word for word. Funny exactly where moses is said to come from who also has zero historicity.

The Book of the dead? There were quite a few you know

Anyway, I know this isn't necessarily the God concept you're focussed on, but I would consider a book to be far too simplistic a way for a deity to express their will, I doubt they bother with it personally.

 

[Storm]

Treating the op with far more seriousness than it deserves.....

Assuming theism, we're talking about the mind that engineered quantum mechanics. Do you really think such an intellect could dumb itself down enough to communicate itself to US, while simultaneously remaining coherent?

Even if it could, why should it spoonfeed us? Good parents give their children the tools to make decisions, not indoctrination.

 

[outhouse]

The Book of the dead? There were quite a few you know

Anyway, I know this isn't necessarily the God concept you're focussed on, but I would consider a book to be far too simplistic a way for a deity to express their will, I doubt they bother with it personally.

i doubt they would bother to go through only one race of people. If they wanted to give us a good guide to live by it would not be fallible

if there is a god and he wanted to let us know something he would have to hide or go through so called self proclaimed special people.

It would be a piece of work for all people

 

[Erebus]

i doubt they would bother to go through only one race of people. If they wanted to give us a good guide to live by it would not be fallible

if there is a god and he wanted to let us know something he would have to hide or go through so called self proclaimed special people.

It would be a piece of work for all people

We have plenty of good guides to live by: instinct, pleasure receptors, emotion, desire etc. Like I say, a book would be far too simplistic especially if (like myself) you believe that different gods want different things from people.

 

[outhouse]

Treating the op with far more seriousness than it deserves.....

Assuming theism, we're talking about the mind that engineered quantum mechanics. Do you really think such an intellect could dumb itself down enough to communicate itself to US, while simultaneously remaining coherent?

Even if it could, why should it spoonfeed us? Good parents give their children the tools to make decisions, not indoctrination.

its fine you talk down to my post even though theres many levels to it.

your post makes little sense in the fact god is supposed to have created us. He would not have to dumb down. He would know exactly what to write, to guide us.

unless he didnt know how to write :areyoucra


your whole post speaks against any holy book being created as its believed god guided those who wrote what they did, yet you say he may not be capable


spoonfeed us? why murder us all with a flood. Why create something with no direction.


look if you agree all religious book's were written by man for man, I will agree.

but I think all gods literacy is still out for debate

 

[outhouse]

We have plenty of good guides to live by: instinct, pleasure receptors, emotion, desire etc. Like I say, a book would be far too simplistic especially if (like myself) you believe that different gods want different things from people.

I agree, intellegent men wrote these guides.

most have been found to be fallible

 

[outhouse]

The Book of the dead? There were quite a few you know

Anyway, I know this isn't necessarily the God concept you're focussed on, but I would consider a book to be far too simplistic a way for a deity to express their will, I doubt they bother with it personally.

multi level with this one.

god and book's


I understand about the book of the dead, during the long period that semetic speaking people migrated from egypt before 1250BC isnt there a book of the dead that carried hundreds of commandments?? you dont think through oral transmission 10 might have been remembered??

 

[Storm]

your post makes little sense in the fact god is supposed to have created us. He would not have to dumb down. He would know exactly what to write, to guide us.

And here I thought you said "all Gods."

Can you successfully explain quantum mechanics to a 2 year old? For that matter, can you explain quantum mechanics at all?

unless he didnt know how to write :areyoucra

"He" invented language. I'm pretty sure we didn't confuse "Him" with alphabets.

your whole post speaks against any holy book being created as its believed god guided those who wrote what they did, yet you say he may not be capable

Guidance is not dictation. Furthermore, inspiration isn't even guidance.

spoonfeed us? why murder us all with a flood. Why create something with no direction

And we're back to your personal grudge with Abrahamic myth. :sleep:

look if you agree all religious book's was written by man for man, I will agree.

Yep. That wasn't the premise of your argument, though.

but I think all gods literacy is still out for debate

If you mean all Gods, stop using Abrahamic-specific arguments. It's annoying.

 

[Erebus]

I agree, intellegent men wrote these guides.

most have been found to be fallible

I think you maybe misunderstood me, I wasn't saying that the books were good guides, I was saying that our natural inclinations were our guides. Throw in multiple gods of varying degrees of morality and it's not nearly as simple as "One true path, one right way, here's the handbook".

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse,

The concept that my dog created the universe last Thursday and implanted all our memories into our heads is not implausible.

How can you assign a zero value to any potentiality? Especially in regards to ancient history. It is certainly not like all ancient historical facts are known.
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I missed that part in old testament.

im just pointing out what historians think at this time. We know for a fact the exodus as stated didnt happen. Ancient hebrews consist of many cultures from the levant. Egypt, Sumer and nomadic tribes. Semetic speaking people were everywhere and brough with them their own versions and storys that were added as a foundation for the OT to start. These storys, fables and songs and poems were told through oral tradion for hundreds of years before they were written down.

So historically it has been found they have zero historicity. That is not lack of value, there are valuable storys that helped those who follow that faith.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

there have been hundreds of deitys in the last 6000 years of written text, cuniform and stone writing.

Not one word has ever been written by beings so powerfull, some are said to have created everything, visited earth, sent there son down to die as a mortal man.

Are all gods and deitys illiterate.?


My take is that they all are illiterate. If there was a higher power it would not be hard to jot down a few sentences for the benifit mankind, unless they just didnt know how to read or write.

I understand hinduism may have ancient books authored by self proclaimed deitys but their divinity is up for debate and not part of this thread.

If there's a god, I'm sure it has about as much interest in whether humans believe in its existence or not, as you do about whether the bacteria in your gut believe you exist.

 

[Erebus]

multi level with this one.

god and book's


I understand about the book of the dead, during the long period that semetic speaking people migrated from egypt before 1250BC isnt there a book of the dead that carried hundreds of commandments?? you dont think through oral transmission 10 might have been remembered??

I'm fairly confident the Judeo-Christian traditions drew inspiration from a wide variety of sources, have a look at Zoroastrianism for example. The books of the dead were essentially personalised guides through the afterlife purchased by the sufficiently wealthy, a lot of their content would be similar to one another, but not all of it. I was being pedantic about the books of the dead (hence the wink) and some of the Egyptian myths were almost certainly carried over into the Abrahamic faiths.

However, aside from my pedantic nature my point has nothing to do with the Abrahamic God.

 

[outhouse]

I think you maybe misunderstood me, I wasn't saying that the books were good guides, I was saying that our natural inclinations were our guides. Throw in multiple gods of varying degrees of morality and it's not nearly as simple as "One true path, one right way, here's the handbook".

ill buy that

 

[outhouse]

I'm fairly confident the Judeo-Christian traditions drew inspiration from a wide variety of sources, have a look at Zoroastrianism for example. The books of the dead were essentially personalised guides through the afterlife purchased by the sufficiently wealthy, a lot of their content would be similar to one another, but not all of it. I was being pedantic about the books of the dead (hence the wink) and some of the Egyptian myths were almost certainly carried over into the Abrahamic faiths.

However, aside from my pedantic nature my point has nothing to do with the Abrahamic God.

fair enough

 

[outhouse]

If there's a god, I'm sure it has about as much interest in whether humans believe in its existence or not, as you do about whether the bacteria in your gut believe you exist.

but doesnt every culture have some kind of holy book that says their god inspired said book?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

but doesnt every culture have some kind of holy book that says their god inspired said book?

Everyone likes to feel important.

 

[Storm]

but doesnt every culture have some kind of holy book that says their god inspired said book?

1) No.
2) Again: inspiration, guidance, and authorship are all very different things.

 

[Oneatatime]

&#8220;The gods, fostered by sacrifice,
Will give you desired enjoyments;
But he who enjoys the gods&#8217; gifts
Without offering is a thief.&#8221;
-Bhagavad-Gita 3:12



Then again, I don't think Lord Siva and his family would much appreciate the sacrifice of a bull. They're content with anything given in love.

Jews and Muslims are rather into their animal sacrifice. Old habits die hard I guess.

 

[outhouse]

Can you successfully explain quantum mechanics to a 2 year old? For that matter, can you explain quantum mechanics at all?

No, and I can butcher it but yes.

lets not start to confuse science with religion

"He" invented language

Im under the asumption language evolved over millions of years

Guidance is not dictation. Furthermore, inspiration isn't even guidance.

so the books have zero divinity?????

And we're back to your personal grudge with Abrahamic myth

not a grudge at all

[That wasn't the premise of your argument, though./QUOTE]

multi faceted

If you mean all Gods, stop using Abrahamic-specific arguments. It's annoying.

why?

that represents the majority of religions, what roughly 4B of 6B peopel follow it. im trying to fair in my distribution and I also wont talk down to deitys and religions I dont know.