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Are all men created equal?

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
Jensa said:
Physically?
Jensa, you have a bad habit of reading my mind. Or maybe I have a bad habit of reading yours? Awww, I'll just call it a good habit, and get away with no blame.

Are all people created equal? Yes. Are all men created (or evolved, depending on your belief system) equal? Yes, with the exception that Jensa noted, the explaining of which would involving dragging my obsessions into yet another thread.

And I will not stoop to even consider adding 'and all women are created superior. ' That would be very wrong of me. (If I were to do such a thing, that is. Which I wouldn't, of course.)
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
I like the way it was stated in the Declaration of Independence
...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...
So I would say 'Yes'.:)
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Born equal, yes. REMAIN equal...that's a whole other thing. Physically, you don't want to get me started on :biglaugh:
 

alowyn

Member
All men are created uniquely, and though they deserve to be treated equally, they aren't, and it's going to be a long time, if ever, before we do treat people equally.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Draka said:
Born equal, yes. REMAIN equal...that's a whole other thing. Physically, you don't want to get me started on :biglaugh:
Remain equal - no; I agree.

I don't think I want to think about the physicall bit!:eek:
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Aqualung said:
They're not created equal, but they deserve to be treated equally.
Very True

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Aqualung again

Terry
________________________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.
 

Tawn

Active Member
Hehe.. its one of those difficult questions.. and probably the reason for it being so tricky is that the question is essentially flawed.

What exactly is 'equality'????

If equality is the way we are treated then its very easy to say all SHOULD be treated equally. Thats the easy way out im afraid. Now im discounting a typical religious view of life which holds that men and animals are entirely different from each other... but we can all agree that a human being who is born physically deficient is not physically equal to other humans. Likewise a human born mentally deficient is not mentally equal to other humans.

However, what essentially is different between a human and a chicken? They are born genetically different from one another.. or in other words both mentally and physically completely different from a human. No other differences (except in the case of certain religious views).
Yet we would consider it to be unethical to treat a disabled or retarded person differently. However, nobody seems to really care that chickens are treated the way they are. It is somehow accepted that animals are not equal to humans... because of genetic differences.
Yet treating people differently because of genetic differences between races is now considered wrong.

Is anyone seeing what im pointing at here? I need to stop waffling..

I think we need to face up to reality here. People and creatures are different. The way they should be treated should be according to their differences. This isnt justification for racism or mistreatment of animals, but instead a recognition and understanding of our differences and our NEED to be treated differently.
This is actually ingrained already into our society. A person with learning difficulties cannot achieve that an intelligent person can. They will not be able to access higher levels of education and not be able to do jobs which would be beyond their ability. Yet, should jobs which carry higher levels of responsibility and a requirement for hard years of training recieve the same pay as any other job? That hardly seems right, even though some are born and raised in such a way that theyll probably never be able to access these high powered jobs.. where is the equality???
No, it isnt that this way of life is wrong - its just sensible and practical.
Equal rights - maybe. Equal treatment - think again.

I probably could justify my comments more but im activating the waffle inhibitors.
 

Cynic

Well-Known Member
orichalcum said:
Well since every human is 99% genetically related to every other human, I would suppose that there is much similarity, perhaps in this, is equality.

Even though we may not look the same, all the mechaninisms and machinary that makes up who you are, that makes up who I am, are only about 1% different.
 

Crystal Red

Episkopos Crystal Red
All humans are born with equal choices, the choice defines whether they remain equal, whether they rise above, or sink below, which unfortunately most do. There's so much wasted potential.
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
i dont think all humans are born equal, there are genetic disfigurments to show this

i think that we all have an equal potential to do good in our lives, and we all have the equal opportunities to love and care for those around us, but some people are born physically bigger than others, some are born with minor brain conditions like dyslexia and dyspraxia (as far as i know you are born with these)

so in short, no, humans are not born equall because we are simply not all equal

C_P
 

Crystal Red

Episkopos Crystal Red
Rex said:
And how do you arrive at that?
You can choose to be ignorant, or you can choose to not be ignorant. Unfortunately it is far too easy to be ignorant. That choice defines what you do for the rest of yuour life. I know it's not a formal choice made, it's made the influence of yur environment, your personality, & other factors, I believe this choice can be changed, but it's not easy.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Were all born as humans, but not equal. If we were born equal, we would all have bodies that are in perfect shape with no deformities, and would be living lifestyles that only the extremely rich can afford. Or we would have bodies that are in terrible condition, and living a life of poverty.
 
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