Are Ghosts always Demons?

[DallasApple]

Demons aren't people.Never were and never will be.They are something else.If you believe in them.Just like people aren't angels.Never were and never will be.

 

[rusra02]

Didn't know where to put this but I was told that ghosts are demons in disguise and using a Ouija board or screaming Bloody Mary into a mirror summons demons.

I know Ouija board responses are actually from the ideomotor effect but what if ghosts are not necessarily bad? I know some say there is an afterlife after death but what if a mother or father dies and they have a very young child, wouldn't their ghost rather live on Earth and 'haunt' the house/look over their child and spouse? What if a very young child dies, surely the ghost would wander the house to be with the parent?

Which brings me onto demons:

what if a ghost stays to protect someone from demons?

When people say a dog or a cat can see a ghost or demon, which one is more true? Or do ghosts/demons have a fear/aversion to both

The Bible warns against having dealings with the demons. (1 Corinthians 10:20) I believe these demons are angels that sinned and now exercise dangerous influence over mankind. (2 Peter 2:4) The Bible also clearly teaches that the dead are unconscious and unable to help or harm anyone. "*For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. *Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6) From these and other parts of the Bible I conclude that "ghosts" do not exist. Rather, IMO, demons at times pretend to be spirits of dead persons, to mislead persons and do them harm.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't particularly believe in either ghosts or demons, but if I did I would probably assume that while most of both are simply not real, ghosts would be psychic residue and therefore exceedingly corruptible, and not even possessed of a true personal character.

 

[Pegg]

perhaps, but perhaps you should explain why. That also does not work on my second point.

simply because the angels of heaven who rebelled against God acted unlawfully.

I wouldnt call it unlawful for a group of people to break away from another group of people for the reason that 'people' have no lawful right to rule over other 'people'

even the bible makes it clear that man does not have the legal right to rule over others
“To earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” Jeremiah 10:23

However, God is the creator of all living beings, including the angels, and he is the Universal Sovereign....he is entitled to obedience for that very reason.
As the bible right states: “It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves.” Ps. 100:3, therefore it is only right that all created beings serve Jehovah obediently.

Those who dont are doing wrong to their creator, hence they are lawbreakers and dont deserve to remain alive by Gods power....why should he keep giving them life when they rebel against him?

 

[Astravalon]

Didn't know where to put this but I was told that ghosts are demons in disguise and using a Ouija board or screaming Bloody Mary into a mirror summons demons.

I know Ouija board responses are actually from the ideomotor effect but what if ghosts are not necessarily bad? I know some say there is an afterlife after death but what if a mother or father dies and they have a very young child, wouldn't their ghost rather live on Earth and 'haunt' the house/look over their child and spouse? What if a very young child dies, surely the ghost would wander the house to be with the parent?

Which brings me onto demons:

what if a ghost stays to protect someone from demons?

When people say a dog or a cat can see a ghost or demon, which one is more true? Or do ghosts/demons have a fear/aversion to both

I used to believe that any ghost activity was actually demonic. I don't believe that any longer, however I also am not an expert at differentiating which is which, necessarily. So, for instance, while we've had some (relatively mild) unexplained occurrences here in my house over the years, I have not attempted to communicate with whoever it is, because I'm afraid I might escalate things, and in the wrong direction (no offense to any resident spirits reading this over my shoulder ).

Still, I am totally fascinated by stories (either real or fictional) of paranormal encounters with ghosts, hauntings, etc. :yes:

ETA: I'm pretty much convinced my deceased Dad came back to visit here, due to the unexplained reappearance of a very specific item associated with him.

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[satyaroop]

Didn't know where to put this but I was told that ghosts are demons in disguise and using a Ouija board or screaming Bloody Mary into a mirror summons demons.

in the book "the demonologist", the author says the same thing, that evil entities/beings will pretend to be spirits of dead people, during spiritual communication. There's a story of a girl who contacted something through a ouija board which claimed to be a spirit of a dead person, the being engaged in conversation through the ouija board, befriended here, paid her compliments, made predictions, all to get her interested. She got addicted and obsessed with this being, the author says that this was part of the infestation process. The story then described how thing got bad from there, paranormal phenomena etc.

another book, on ufos, the author goes to meet a channeler who claimed to pass on messages from space aliens, during the channeling process, a docile dog in the room reacted viciously, the temperature dropped drastically and very suddenly, the author asked the entity (through the channeler) some science related questions regarding space travel etc., the entity reacted angrily and books flew off a book shelf. The author says the entity was something evil pretending to be an ET.

just passing on what I read in a couple of books.

 

[ronki23]

in the book "the demonologist", the author says the same thing, that evil entities/beings will pretend to be spirits of dead people, during spiritual communication. There's a story of a girl who contacted something through a ouija board which claimed to be a spirit of a dead person, the being engaged in conversation through the ouija board, befriended here, paid her compliments, made predictions, all to get her interested. She got addicted and obsessed with this being, the author says that this was part of the infestation process. The story then described how thing got bad from there, paranormal phenomena etc.

another book, on ufos, the author goes to meet a channeler who claimed to pass on messages from space aliens, during the channeling process, a docile dog in the room reacted viciously, the temperature dropped drastically and very suddenly, the author asked the entity (through the channeler) some science related questions regarding space travel etc., the entity reacted angrily and books flew off a book shelf. The author says the entity was something evil pretending to be an ET.

just passing on what I read in a couple of books.

Paragraph 1 sounds like the plot for the Exorcist haha.

Is it dogs, cats or both that can see them? Why are ghosts and demons afraid of them (i'm still saying ghosts=good, demons=bad for convenience sake)?

What keeps evil spirits around on Earth if Hell is for them?

 

[Falvlun]

is it dogs or cats that can see them?

I think there is a stronger history of people believing that cats have psychic abilities, back to the Egyptians.

However, my money would be on dogs. They always seem to know when something's up.

 

[Father Heathen]

If apparitions exist, I think they should be approached with objective, scientific study rather than trying to frame such entities within the presumptions and preconceptions of ancient religions and ignorant, primitive people.

 

[Father Heathen]

i think you are comparing apples with oranges

How so? Playing devil's advocate (no pun intended), weren't both rebelling against tyranny and for freedom?

 

[Father Heathen]

Demons aren't people.Never were and never will be.They are something else.If you believe in them.Just like people aren't angels.Never were and never will be.

Humans don't get to dictate the workings of the universe, nor is any force or entity that fits the moniker "god" bound to any human made books.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes, all ghosts are demons.
How do we know? Because God has told us what happens to humans when we die
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “all his thinking,” NE; “plans,” RS, NAB] do perish.”
His 'spirit' is his 'life-force'. When that goes out, all consciousness ceases. So there is no way we could summon a dead human from their grave and attempt to talk to them.
the only conscious invisible living beings inhabiting the 'spirit world' are the good angels or the rebellious angels, ie demons

The Bible warns against having dealings with the demons. (1 Corinthians 10:20) I believe these demons are angels that sinned and now exercise dangerous influence over mankind. (2 Peter 2:4) The Bible also clearly teaches that the dead are unconscious and unable to help or harm anyone. "*For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. *Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6) From these and other parts of the Bible I conclude that "ghosts" do not exist. Rather, IMO, demons at times pretend to be spirits of dead persons, to mislead persons and do them harm.

What do books written by men thousands of years ago have to do with anything?

 

[DallasApple]

I think there is a stronger history of people believing that cats have psychic abilities, back to the Egyptians.

However, my money would be on dogs. They always seem to know when something's up.

So do babies...

 

[DallasApple]

Humans don't get to dictate the workings of the universe, nor is any force or entity that fits the moniker "god" bound to any human made books.

I can say whatever I want so can you .:flirt:

 

[Pegg]

What do books written by men thousands of years ago have to do with anything?

these men had Gods spirit upon them, and they were relating Gods truths.


What other explanation could there be for the bible telling us plainly that when we die, we return to dust and cease to exist??? every other religion at the time taught in an afterlife (and still does today). But not the bible writers.


They had it right because they were taught the truth from God.

 

[Father Heathen]

I can say whatever I want so can you .:flirt:

Of course, but things that make sense hold more validity than things that do not.

 

[Father Heathen]

these men had Gods spirit upon them, and they were relating Gods truths.


What other explanation could there be for the bible telling us plainly that when we die, we return to dust and cease to exist??? every other religion at the time taught in an afterlife (and still does today). But not the bible writers.


They had it right because they were taught the truth from God.

:no:
Circular reasoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DallasApple]

Of course, but things that make sense hold more validity than things that do not.

Sense is relative.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sense is relative.

Logic is not.

 

[ronki23]

So do babies...

Really? Well children ARE susceptible.

I actually watched Ju-On: The Grudge today, it wasn't scary. A little boring compared to the American version. Apparently, Ju-On: the Grudge is a sequel to Ju-On.

The thing I find weird, is why (in Izumi's death scene), do they show her being killed at the altar of a Shinto Shrine? Surely Buddha would have protected her from being killed by the ghost.

Which brings it back to ghosts and demons.

In the Exorcist we see a Demon possessing Regan and posing as a ghost.

In the Grudge (i've seen only Ju-On: The Grudge and the Grudge Trilogy) we see three ghosts: anger (Takado), sadness (Kayako) and fear (Toshio) but all 3 of them kill. Yet Kayako kills her mother in the movie but does nothing to her sister. Her sister then becomes a ghost after Takado kills her.
I thought a ghost like Kayako (who doesn't hate her sister) could be reasoned with