Are god and the constitution diametrically opposite?

[Mycroft]

In the most basic terms, the spirit of the US Constitution is that anyone who has the power to act, has the responsibility to act.

god, as religion would have to believe, certainly has the power, so therefore should have the responsibility. But yet does not.

Discuss.

 

[George-ananda]

the spirit of the US Constitution is that anyone who has the power to act, has the responsibility to act.

Never heard it put that way.....doesn't sound right..

And it is up to us to control what we can control...not expect divine miracles..

 

[Kori]

In Christianity and co. you submit and cannot worship other Gods and Goddesses because in god's flaw he is green with envy at the idea. The US Constitution in theory is a great idea but only if it applied. But I have yet to see it happening. At least Communism looks good on paper. Christianity and co. cannot even do that.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

In the most basic terms, the spirit of the US Constitution is that anyone who has the power to act, has the responsibility to act.

I'm not overly familiar with the Constitution. Does it actually say that?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

In Christianity and co. you submit and cannot worship other Gods and Goddesses because in god's flaw he is green with envy at the idea.

In the Biblical narrative, God is the only God, and the only being worthy of worship, it's hardly envy. And if God is the only one who can provide us with eternal infinite joy in the enjoyment of Him, far beyond anything anyone or anything else can provide us, surely it is good and charitable to direct us to worship only Him, and no one else?

 

[Kori]

In the Biblical narrative, God is the only God, and the only being worthy of worship, it's hardly envy. And if God is the only one who can provide us with eternal infinite joy in the enjoyment of Him, far beyond anything anyone or anything else can provide us, surely it is good and charitable to direct us to worship only Him, and no one else?

God Admits to his own envy. The Ten Commandments for example.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

God Admits to his own envy. The Ten Commandments for example.

If a married person's wife or husband cheated on them, wouldn't they be jealous? God entered into covenant relationship with His people, and loves them dearly. Coupled with the fact that God is the only one who can provide true joy, I don't see the issue, when there is no satisfaction to be found in anything other than God. God does love with a jealous love, with a jealous love that not only is angry when His people betray Him, but will fiercely defend His people from evil and preserve them until the day of salvation.

 

[Kori]

If a married person's wife or husband cheated on them, wouldn't they be jealous? God entered into covenant relationship with His people, and loves them dearly. Coupled with the fact that God is the only one who can provide true joy, I don't see the issue, when there is no satisfaction to be found in anything other than God. God does love with a jealous love, with a jealous love that not only is angry when His people betray Him, but will fiercely defend His people from evil and preserve them until the day of salvation.

Isn't God suppose to be perfect? Jealousy is an imperfection. Plus keep in mind the penalty for breaking any one of the ten commandments is death. That has to be followed without question. They are the ten commandments not the ten recommendations.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Isn't God suppose to be perfect? Jealousy is an imperfection. Plus keep in mind the penalty for breaking any one of the ten commandments is death. That has to be followed without question. They are the ten commandments not the ten recommendations.

Betraying God is morally wrong, and God is justly angry about it, that is no imperfection.

The Ten Commandments do lay out some pure hard justice, that's true, and much of the Law is like that to demonstrate how sinful we are, and that the wages of sin is death. Thanks be to God for Jesus Christ, for even though we do deserve death He took the penalty we deserved so that we could be adopted as God's children and live with Him.

 

[Kori]

Betraying God is morally wrong, and God is justly angry about it, that is no imperfection.

The Ten Commandments do lay out some pure hard justice, that's true, and much of the Law is like that to demonstrate how sinful we are, and that the wages of sin is death. Thanks be to God for Jesus Christ, for even though we do deserve death He took the penalty we deserved so that we could be adopted as God's children and live with Him.

I'm not talking about anger I am talking about Jealousy. Jealousy is ugly there is no doubt about it. What about how great god is? So perfect, so better than us humans. Shouldn't god be more than jealousy and anger? Higher than that? The whole forgiveness thing? Christians and co seem to think so. But the Bible proves them wrong. Is god prefect or not? Which is it?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I'm not talking about anger I am talking about Jealousy. Jealousy is ugly there is no doubt about it. What about how great god is? So perfect, so better than us humans. Shouldn't god be more than jealousy and anger? Higher than that? The whole forgiveness thing? Christians and co seem to think so. But the Bible proves them wrong. Is god prefect or not? Which is it?

Why is jealousy ugly if it is justified? God is not controlled by His emotions, He is perfect, but His love is still rightly called a jealous love because of how much it cares for us and if we betray Him we are depriving ourselves of joy and are morally wrong.
God is very forgiving, if God didn't forgive then there'd be no people in heaven.

 

[Kori]

Why is jealousy ugly if it is justified? God is not controlled by His emotions, He is perfect, but His love is still rightly called a jealous love because of how much it cares for us and if we betray Him we are depriving ourselves of joy and are morally wrong.
God is very forgiving, if God didn't forgive then there'd be no people in heaven.

Jealousy is never justified. Not by me, not by you, not by Odin, and not by god. If a woman I was with cheated on me I would not get jealous I would flat out draw a line. I would not a vile emotion take hold. Anger yes, Jealousy no. Betrayal is different than feeling ownership over someone. Be it a person or a situation. If you get angry over a girlfriend cheating on you it's mainly out of love for her and hurt over the event. Jealousy takes root from ownership. To be fair I am sure there are some exceptions however if you feel you own someone you are arrogant. A non-arrogant person, Deity, etc cannot have the willpower or the confidence to own someone. I'm sure I have felt every emotion on Midgard more than once and I am a passionate person so most of the times I felt those things it was strong. As for the no one in heaven keep in mind most "Christians" one way or another do not follow the bible. Remember Jesus telling people not to pray in public? I cannot remember what quote it is and after this post I am going to bed. It's 6:03AM here and I need sleep. I shall return.

 

[Altfish]

The 10-commandments are very poor, many of them are about a very insecure god. Many people have written much better lists of commandments

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I'm not overly familiar with the Constitution. Does it actually say that?

No, it doesn't say that; but some believe (based on the other writings of the authors, and of the amendments), something to this effect. But it's not the only interpretation. I would say that everyone has the responsibility to live according to the law of the land (of which the Constitution is the highest declaration of that law). Under the Constitution and common law, individuals have rights to choose to do or not do a wide variety of things, at their pleasure; government, on the other hand, is limited in what it can make people do and how it can relate to people. The Constitution is an agreement between "We the People," intended to address certain problems of societal governance in a non-religious way.

Religion is not so based, and the Constitution specifically prevents government from having or being able to take a position on religious matters.

Anyway, I disagree with the idea that there is any implied imperative to act on the part of individuals in the Constitution. Even if we take the position that the "right" thing to do is to follow the intent, it does not, and it in fact would be contrary to the spirit of the Constitution to REQUIRE certain behaviors. For example, the Constitution recognizes the right to vote; but it is up to individual discretion whether or not to vote--requiring all qualifying adults to vote is contrary to the freedom of the individual to choose how to engage in the democratic process as laid out in the Constitution.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not overly familiar with the Constitution. Does it actually say that?

Not that I've ever seen.

 

[Iti oj]

In the most basic terms, the spirit of the US Constitution is that anyone who has the power to act, has the responsibility to act.

god, as religion would have to believe, certainly has the power, so therefore should have the responsibility. But yet does not.

Discuss.

That's not what the constitution says. ..not even close.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

In the Biblical narrative, God is the only God, and the only being worthy of worship, it's hardly envy. And if God is the only one who can provide us with eternal infinite joy in the enjoyment of Him, far beyond anything anyone or anything else can provide us, surely it is good and charitable to direct us to worship only Him, and no one else?

Making two sets of spiritual beings, angels and men, for the sole purpose of worshiping you is not childish or selfish?