Are Mormons Christians?

[bible truth]

No, it flat out doesn't make sense and you still haven't told me where the Bible supports the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. LDS doctrines don't contradict anything in the Bible, and you can't give me one single solitary example of where they do.[/color][/font][/color]

Katzpur,

I will be debating Jonny and Aqualung on a one on one debate. If you would like to do the same, please start one too. I just want to make sure others can read along. - BT

 

[Comprehend]

Hey Comprehend,

I choose not to discuss and debate with you due to your aggressive attitude. I will continue to discuss and debate with Katzpur, Jonny, and Aqualung because they are more graceful in our discussions. Sorry my friend, maybe Paul or other evangelicals will debate with you. - BT

So why did you lie to me and say you would?


...and I think you choose not to debate with me because you can't answer my questions....

 

[bible truth]

So why did you lie to me and say you would?


...and I think you choose not to debate with me because you can't answer my questions....

God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble. I believe Jonny, Katzpur, and Aqualung can represent the LDS faith apart from you. We will be debating one on one. You are welcome to read along. - BT

 

[Comprehend]

God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble. I believe Jonny, Katzpur, and Aqualung can represent the LDS faith apart from you. We will be debating one on one. You are welcome to read along. - BT

or in other words...

my questions are too difficult for you and you will look bad when you respond so you are hiding from them.

Ok, hide all you want.

You still didn't answer why you lied to me. What does God do with liars?

 

[bible truth]

or in other words...

my questions are too difficult for you and you will look bad when you respond so you are hiding from them.

Ok, hide all you want.

You still didn't answer why you lied to me. What does God do with liars?

Yep, this is the ultimate question. What does God do with liars? I profess to be the second sinner of all times. The Apostle Paul has already claimed to be the worst of all sinners. Therefore, I'll line-up right behind Paul as the second worst sinner of all times. Please follow the one on one debates between your Mormon brothers and sister and me. You might learn something. I'm sure your questions will be answered in those debates. - BT

 

[Gentoo]

The Apostle Paul has already claimed to be the worst of all sinners.[/FONT]

I thought Judas was the worst of all sinners...

But that's off topic anyway.

 

[Bishka]

Yep, this is the ultimate question. What does God do with liars? I profess to be the second sinner of all times. The Apostle Paul has already claimed to be the worst of all sinners. Therefore, I'll line-up right behind Paul as the second worst sinner of all times.

Wouldn't that be pride?

 

[bible truth]

You know, I almost wish I hadn't participated in this debate. It was actually Bible Truth's idea and I gave him the option of debating me one-on-one or allowing everyone to participate. He chose to open the question to everyone "who has ears to hear." Whenever a discussion like this comes up, things start out okay but eventually people get frustrated and annoyed and then the sarcasm starts. Before long, it becomes a case of everybody trying to out-do everybody else (myself included). Sarcasm is easy, though; legitimate debate requires so much more of everyone involved.

Anyway, if Bible Truth or anyone else who believes that Mormons aren't Christians would care to debate me one-on-one, either on this topic specifically or on any aspect of Mormonism he feels qualified to prove false, I'm always interested.

Hi Katzpur,

Please setup our one on one debate. I plan on discussing things with Jonny, Aqualung, and yourself (per your request above). I think we can learn together. I will need to limit my time on this site to just the three 'one on one' Threads. - BT

 

[bible truth]

I thought Judas was the worst of all sinners...

But that's off topic anyway.

Nope, the bible declares that the Apostle Paul reserved that title.

 

[bible truth]

Wouldn't that be pride?

Hey beckysoup, you made me laugh! In a way, it is kind of prideful to claim to be the second worst sinner. On the other hand, it shows my great need for Christ! - BT

 

[bible truth]

To all who have interest in this subject,

I just received confirmation that Katzpur will be setting up a one on one debate between the both of us, debating Mormon Christianity and Evangelical Christianity. Please notice the title I gave to Mormons above.

I will also be debating Jonny and Aqualung on one on one debates. Therefore, I no longer will be participating in this particular Thread. I hope you will follow along with our one on one debates. I enjoyed my discussions with all of you. However, I will need to manage my time better to participate in this wonderful forum. - BT

 

[uu_sage]

Yes, Mormons are Christians. Anyone who sincerely and thoughtfully considers themselves Christian is one.

 

[SoyLeche]

Well, at least I got an answer as to why I'm being ignored... good to know that my questions and opinions mean nothing to him simply because I'm not Christian...

That makes three of us. And the answer to my question is a simple "yes" or "no". I've only asked for it about 4 times so far though. There's gotta be a critical mass somewhere.

 

[Comprehend]

Yep, this is the ultimate question. What does God do with liars? I profess to be the second sinner of all times. The Apostle Paul has already claimed to be the worst of all sinners. Therefore, I'll line-up right behind Paul as the second worst sinner of all times. Please follow the one on one debates between your Mormon brothers and sister and me. You might learn something. I'm sure your questions will be answered in those debates. - BT

are you serious? you think the ultimate question is "what does God do with liars?"

I must say I haven't ever considered what "the ultimate question" is, but I am going to guess that isn't it.

I am quite certain my questions will not be answered in those debates, you have hidden from my questions since my first post. What are you afraid of?

Finally, I am a bit disappointed you have chosen to dodge my questions by playing the holier than thou card. I think it is sophmoric. It is obvious to everyone you are afraid to answer my posts...

more of a kitty cat than a lion....

 

[Comprehend]

A list of questions and comments that Bible Truth is unwilling (or afraid) to answer:

• Why he insists on insulting our religion by refusing to use our proper name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” but takes “Jesus Christ” out of our name and calls us “The Church of Latter Day Saints”

• What he means by “extra-biblical revelation”. Since the revelation received by Moses was “extra-biblical revelation” yet he accepts it while rejecting ours. In fact, all revelation recorded in the bible is “extra-biblical” as the bible didn’t exist. The very nature of revelation means that it is adding to what already existed. Each time God revealed something to man, it added to what was already there. Before Moses, there were no 10 commandments, after Moses, there were. What criteria does Bible Truth use to determine which revelation he accepts and which is “extra-biblical”.

• How the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has “changed the gospel”.

• Whether Bible Truth was lying when he said that the Roman Catholic version of Jesus Christ was mutually exclusive of his version of Jesus Christ? Or was he lying when he later told a Catholic that RC’s, EO’s, and Protestants all have the same Christ (it’s just mormons who don’t).

• Where in the Bible does it teach the Trinity. Specifically, his professed understanding that:

In the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten, nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father, the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.”

because I didn’t find that in the bible.

• Why he claims that all he needs can be found in the bible and then proceeded to use websites rather than scriptures to make his argument.

• What is the “Historical Biblical Church”?

• Since all Christian faiths have different doctrine, practices, and beliefs, while BT has claimed that only one church can be “right”. Which denomination of Christian church is the “right” one?

• Since all bible translations are different and there can only be one correct translation of the word of God, which translation of the bible is the “right” one? What evidence does he have for this?

• Which denomination does BT belong to? (and is he Pentecostal).

• Has BT actually read the Book of Mormon?

• Why BT continually feels the need to ask Mormons to “be honest” as if he assumes we are liars.

• Is bible truth a user that has been previously banned under a different user name who used to write posts in letter format, signing each and who also insisted on calling our church by the same wrong name just like Bible Truth does? Hmmm, I wonder…

• What would a short checklist of criteria be to qualify as a Christian according to Bible Truth?

• Bible Truth claims to have been “granted salvation” in his late twenties. I would like to know how he knows/knew that he was granted salvation. Did he receive “extra biblical revelation”? How does he know his revelation was from God and not an evil angel of light?

• Why he believes Mormons are called Mormons because of the angel Moroni? (since he claims vast knowledge about our church yet is not aware that we are named Mormons after a guy named……. Mormon!!!) who would have thunk it.

 

[Comprehend]

bump.

 

[Aqualung]

I think you have stopped it in its tracks, comprehend. Good work.

 

[SoyLeche]

I think you have stopped it in its tracks, comprehend. Good work.

A thread about Mormons being Christian can't be stopped by a non-mod. It will return - you mark my words :fork:

 

[Comprehend]

Auqualung - woo hoo. I am dissappointed that BT didn't want to answer the questions though...

soy - I agree, it's only a matter of time until another nutter comes along.

 

[Bishka]

soy - I agree, it's only a matter of time until another nutter comes along.

Couldn't agree with you more on this. :yes: