Are prostitutes sex offenders?

[Valjean]

What goal would placing prostitutes or johns on an offender's list accomplish? How would it benefit the public? What would the costs and potential problems be?

It's also unclear what a "sex offender's list" is, exactly. Crimes are already public record. This seems to be a proposal publicly to list offenders on a websight or something, perhaps with certain apartheid-like restrictions attached.

 

[Father Heathen]

What goal would placing prostitutes or johns on an offender's list accomplish? How would it benefit the public? What would the costs and potential problems be?

It's also unclear what a "sex offender's list" is, exactly. Crimes are already public record. This seems to be a proposal publicly to list offenders on a websight or something, perhaps with certain apartheid-like restrictions attached.

Well, I think that people should be made aware for the sake of safety if someone with a history of victimizing women or children lives in their neighborhood. But if it's something minor and/or victimless then it shouldn't be on a list. It should all be weighed by the actual harm and damage done by the offense.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

The only reason prostitution is illegal to begin with is because the government doesn't know how to regulate it and tax the income earned.

 

[Neo-Logic]

If money and consent being coerced, or bought is the primary concern, we also need to criminalize dating. Guys take girls out on dates. Nice dinner - cha ching $$. A movie, popcorn, snacks -- cha ching $$. Some other activity outside -- cha ching $$. Repeat, repeat - $$ $$. Gifts, flowers, chocolates, presents -- cha ching $$. Consent is bought, no? I'm just saying ....

If the spread of STDs and unsafe practices are the concern, we need to criminalize dorms in colleges. Self explanatory there.

If the abuse, degradation, or endangerment of women are the concern, we need to ban dark alleys, porn industry, rap industry, and Chris Brown.

I'm just saying ...

 

[gnomon]

Friend gnomon,

The root of all *THOUGHTS* is the mind and so any crime considered crime or illegal or immoral or anti-social starts there.
Now when prostitutes involve in sex they do not think as they will be just doing a job [profession] and possibly cracking their knuckles when a man is on her. Surely the man's mind will be working overtime.
Meaning one needs to develop a MIND READER to detect sex offenders even if they do not engage in the act as their minds would be *raping* while walking on the footpath.

Love & rgds

Friend zenzero...pardon me. Sometimes I have no idea exactly what it is you are saying.:sorry1:

What goal would placing prostitutes or johns on an offender's list accomplish? How would it benefit the public? What would the costs and potential problems be?

It's also unclear what a "sex offender's list" is, exactly. Crimes are already public record. This seems to be a proposal publicly to list offenders on a websight or something, perhaps with certain apartheid-like restrictions attached.

Well if the story from the article I linked is correct in regards to New Orleans it appears the goal is twofold. One to increase enforcement of an outdated, in my opinion, religious moral concept and two to find another way to punish minorities. That last one is a heavily charged statement but when it comes to criminal justice in our nation I think there is still a measurable level of keeping minorities "down" for lack of a better term.

 

[zenzero]

Friend gnomon,

Sometimes I have no idea exactly what it is you are saying.

Sorry, as efforts are always there to use words that are simple and easy to understand; however the effort was to point that if *morality* is a factor to decide what is right and wrong then it is important to READ the MINDS of people where the wrong doing develops and not be decided on the basis of the acts that is seen as what is seen is not what the fact is. The prostitutes are just there acting out a profession to earn money to live and they are not involved in the act, so they are not the actual offenders then offenders are those that think about it and commit the act.

Love & rgds

 

[Buttons*]

*shrug* Nah, it probably shouldnt' be illegal or considered a "sex offense." Just remember to wear condoms, kids

 

[gnomon]

Friend gnomon,



Sorry, as efforts are always there to use words that are simple and easy to understand; however the effort was to point that if *morality* is a factor to decide what is right and wrong then it is important to READ the MINDS of people where the wrong doing develops and not be decided on the basis of the acts that is seen as what is seen is not what the fact is. The prostitutes are just there acting out a profession to earn money to live and they are not involved in the act, so they are not the actual offenders then offenders are those that think about it and commit the act.

Love & rgds

I get it now.

 

[Valjean]

Well, I think that people should be made aware for the sake of safety if someone with a history of victimizing women or children lives in their neighborhood. But if it's something minor and/or victimless then it shouldn't be on a list. It should all be weighed by the actual harm and damage done by the offense.

In that case we should certainly be notified of any burglars or armed robbers in the neighborhood, as they clearly represent a danger not just to select members, but to the whole community.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No. Prostitutes being labeled as sex-offenders would just be one more flaw of the sex-offender list. Another group of people who will probably never live a normal life again because some idiot went too far with the sex offenders list. Now, I do agree that rapist, child molesters, etc., should be on the list. But a dude who picks up an under aged chick at, has consensual sex, should not be. I believe if anyone in such a scenario is guilty, it is the bar for not checking ID, not the guy who made an honest mistake. Nor should any minor who has sex with another minor be on the list. That is just dumb.

 

[zflash7]

I wonder what your NEW WORLD order will be like??
maybe u guys should run for election..
Sex offenders..hehehehehehe when was sex ever an offence..seem to be in the last 100 years..
Your age of enlightenment..
This world is not my home.. I'm just a passin through..my home's laid up somewnjvjjbdb nvkc blue.. hehehehehehe

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In that case we should certainly be notified of any burglars or armed robbers in the neighborhood, as they clearly represent a danger not just to select members, but to the whole community.

But the idea behind sex offender registries is that sexual predators have a much, much higher rate of re-offense than other types of crime.

If someone's engaging in burglary or robbery merely for personal gain, then it can be enough to stop them from re-offending if you show them how to make even more money through some legal job. If they're engaging in these crimes to pay for a drug addiction, then treatment of the addiction is the obvious way to address the problem.

If a justice and penal system isn't doing a good job of preventing these sorts of criminals from re-offending, then IMO, you need to look at the rehabilitation programs and parole system first.

From everything I've read, though, it's very difficult (and in some cases, maybe impossible) to rehabilitate or deter a sexual predator from re-offending. Public lists of sexual offenders are a last-ditch way to address the problem after everything else has failed. I do think that these lists show that, for these criminals, the penal system isn't fulfilling its purpose, but I'm not sure whether it would be possible for them to do it at all.

 

[dust1n]

I wonder what your NEW WORLD order will be like??
maybe u guys should run for election..
Sex offenders..hehehehehehe when was sex ever an offence..seem to be in the last 100 years..
Your age of enlightenment..
This world is not my home.. I'm just a passin through..my home's laid up somewnjvjjbdb nvkc blue.. hehehehehehe

It'll be the same order that control's your little penal colony.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sex offenders..hehehehehehe when was sex ever an offence..seem to be in the last 100 years..

Are you serious? Sex most definitely is an offense when someone has sex with a child. It's nothing but an offense to hold a girl down and rape her. Making it a crime in the last 100 years only shows progress towards human rights.

 

[Darkness]

We definitely need to stop blaming the victim of prostitution, which is the prostitute herself/himself. Prostitution, for the prostitutes should be decriminalized. However, I am less compassionate towards the Johns who go to **** prostitutes; I have no compassion for pimps. Increase the legal consequences for Johns and create severe legal consequences for pimps.

 

[Sunstone]

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with prostitution?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with prostitution?

It should be covered under health insurance.

 

[Smoke]

This just helps to demonstrate the utter stupidity of sex offender registries.

While we're at it, let's add people who have been married more than twice, adulterers, men who expect sex if they buy a woman dinner, and women who just lie there.

 

[Neo-Logic]

No, prostitutes nor the johns should be placed on the sex Offenders registry. The entire concept and the list itself is supposed to warn the public adequately, but with everyone imaginable and often stupid scenarios being added to this list, the seriousness has diminished and that, is the real danger in this whole scenario.

There are cases of 17/18 year olds having sex and the older person being put on the sex offender's list. There's been many cases where either the husband or wife is the sex offender and the 'victim' was their spouse from high school days. You also have people who do stupid things like masturbation in public places and a host of other things making it to this list.

The list should be reserved for the most serious of offenses -- rapes, multiple rapes, sexual abuse of children, etc. Not for stupid things. Where's the safety in this list when the list itself becomes meaningless?

 

[Darkness]

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with prostitution?

That is like saying is there anything intrinsically wrong with murder. I can think of instances where murder would be justified, yet still illegal. Personal morality and societal laws exist in two different realms. A better example might be: should two consenting adults be able to fight to the death in a gladiatorial tournament? From a liberty standpoint, they should be able to. Yet, because of economic poverty, people who are desperate for money would be the ones fighting (they would not be fighting for the love of the fight, but out of necessity). The same rules apply to prostitution. Men and women can easily lose their lives through AIDs and will have to stay in prostitution just to afford medical payments, since prostitution does not come with health benefits.

I am surprised and not surprised at the fact that so many liberal people support the legalization of prostitution. Liberalism is all about expansive liberty and developing human potential. The legalization of prostitution is libertarian, not liberal.