Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Trailblazer]

For 3,000 plus years it's been accepted that gods created the world and all the other nonsense. It's only recently we learned about Evolution, Archaeology, in-depth Science and the movement of people who don't believe word for word in what bibles say is growing.

I see that as a good thing.

 

[Trailblazer]

Prove some of the other ones.

I cannot prove any of them came from God, nobody can prove that as a fact, they can only prove it to themselves.

 

[Bird123]

Everyhing around us


What do you mean by "real" since you mentioned it.

Reality is what actually exists. It's not about beliefs

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

It's a matter of belief. Obviously I believe the Gods created humanity. Others believe otherwise.

 

[Bird123]

So show us this evidence.

In this time-based causal universe God's actions can be seen. Understand God's actions and you understand God. If you assume God does not exist, study all that's around you. When you understand why it exists this way, you will understand God.

Discovery leads to new ideas and new avenues of Discovery. Open one door and it leads to more doors that can be opened.

There is so much to Discover that this will be a lifetime journey and beyond.

Widen your view. Advance your thinking. Much more knowledge exists beyond the surface.

Ebb and flow of knowledge is a good tool to have. Example: If you were to build a car, there are things all cars must have such as an engine, a way to stop, steer and a place to sit. This helps on the easy pieces to get started. Got it??

If all the physics add up perfectly, so will the people factor. Everything about God will add up perfectly. This is the base by which one should not fall under. To do so would be to wander from the truth in favor of beliefs. Do not take this wrong turn.

You are lucky. I point the way. No one pointed for me when I reached the point where I needed to know. On the other hand, maybe pointing the way creates a short cut that should never be done. Perhaps, a key part of the journey is wanting to know no matter what thus finding the way.

As I have said, this path takes lots of work and is not easy. On the other hand, if you become really accomplished, you might get a Visit and the evidence you seek. At this point God will no longer be a mere Belief.

Unlike what religion teaches, there are no demands of your choices. God has never been about threats, beliefs,following, condemning and punishing. I have found no religion that really understands God at all. On the other hand, they are all carrying pieces of the puzzle.

I merely point for those who might be ready.

Be who you must. It's a part of the plan!!

That's what I see. It's very very clear yet there is so much more yet to Discover. This hungry student moves forward.

 

[Trailblazer]

In this time-based causal universe God's actions can be seen. Understand God's actions and you understand God. If you assume God does not exist, study all that's around you. When you understand why it exists this way, you will understand God.

I do not believe we can ever know or understand God's actions so I do not believe that is the way we can know God.

Nevertheless that is what you believe and you have a right to your beliefs.
What you have is a belief for the simple reason that it can never be proven.
What I have is also a belief, a religious belief, and that is why I never present it as a fact.

But you are in luck, because I have no time to discuss this, nor do I want to cover terrain that has already been covered, nor do I want beliefs to drive a wedge in between us.

 

[Ancient Soul]

I already told you that Baha'u'llah's testimony is not evidence or proof. I never said He wrote it down so it must be true. That would be ridiculous since anyone can write anything down. However, the same applies to you. You experienced something and then testified of it so it must be true does not cut the mustard. You need more than that.

You have all the proof you need for yourself but you cannot expect that will be proof to anyone else unless you have evidence to back up your claims.

I have no interest in debating with you over what you have vs. what Baha'u'llah revealed. I have no need to prove anything to you or to anyone else. People can do their own investigation if they are interested.and decide for themselves. That is why we have a brain and free will.

Total avoidance as usual.

The issue is your repetitive claim that anyone who claims to have communicated with God is delusional, yet you blindly believe in one of these delusional cult leaders. So people reading these posts would find this hypocritical.

Worse, since this cult leader Bahá’u’lláh is delusional by your standards, isn't it just as hypocritical for someone to go around giving bad so-called "spiritual" advise based upon this delusional Bahá’u’lláh?

 

[Trailblazer]

The issue is your repetitive claim that anyone who claims to have communicated with God is delusional, yet you blindly believe in one of these delusional cult leaders. So people reading these posts would find this hypocritical.

Worse, since this cult leader Bahá’u’lláh is delusional by your standards, isn't it just as hypocritical for someone to go around giving bad so-called "spiritual" advise based upon this delusional Bahá’u’lláh?

You are misrepresenting what I believe.

What I believe is that only Messengers of God can receive communication from God. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

I do not believe that Baha'u'llah was delusional because I believe He was a Messenger of God who received communication from God.

 

[Bear Wild]

God does reveal His message to everyone, but not everyone recognizes it as a message from God.

So that is like Hertha who reveals her message - to anyone will willing to listen and not just to a select few. Much nicer view.

 

[CG Didymus]

I cannot prove any of them came from God, nobody can prove that as a fact, they can only prove it to themselves.

How did you prove it to yourself that Krishna was, not only real, but a manifestation of God? Or Adam? Or Noah? Or Abraham? Because, as I ask every time, Baha'is don't accept the story of these people as written in the Scriptures as being true.

 

[Bear Wild]

You are misrepresenting what I believe.

What I believe is that only Messengers of God can receive communication from God. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

I do not believe that Baha'u'llah was delusional because I believe He was a Messenger of God who received communication from God.

Now that contradicts your statement that god reveals gods message to everyone. Now you are placing things in between people and a god. That is disappointing. Hertha communicates to people and all life directly without the need for any messengers which is much more direct and not at risk to misinterpretation from messengers.

 

[CG Didymus]

You are misrepresenting what I believe.

What I believe is that only Messengers of God can receive communication from God. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

I do not believe that Baha'u'llah was delusional because I believe He was a Messenger of God who received communication from God.

Hmmm? A guy thinks God is speaking to him. And believes that God wants him to sacrifice his son. Would that be delusional?

 

[Ancient Soul]

You might trust your experience as a child - many, including me, wouldn't. In fact I'd be very much more suspicious of anything I experienced as a child, given the changes we go through and which we tend not to understand.

Which is still just an opinion that does not negate my statement of:

"From visions, dreams, NDE/OBEs, ancient cities, writings, verbal stories passed down thru the generations, all tell of a God. That cannot be ignored."

There are just too many people having spiritual "encounters/experiences" with God to explain away that easily.

Like my own personal experience during my childhood NDE/OBE when I met God, that was imparted to me that he was the all powerful creator and ruler of everything. I was just a toddler, and this happened W-A-Y before I even knew anything about the concept of God. There are just too many accounts like that to discount."

Not meant to prove or disprove anything. Just that were there no other options available to impart belief (so many different and contradictory ones) that didn't cause so much friction and deaths - and which can hardly be laughed off? But perhaps indicating more that they simply were the products of human imagination rather than coming from some divine source.

Or perhaps not "the products of human imagination".

 

[Bear Wild]

Which is still just an opinion that does not negate my statement of:

"From visions, dreams, NDE/OBEs, ancient cities, writings, verbal stories passed down thru the generations, all tell of a God. That cannot be ignored."

There are just too many people having spiritual "encounters/experiences" with God to explain away that easily.

Like my own personal experience during my childhood NDE/OBE when I met God, that was imparted to me that he was the all powerful creator and ruler of everything. I was just a toddler, and this happened W-A-Y before I even knew anything about the concept of God. There are just too many accounts like that to discount."



Or perhaps not "the products of human imagination".

So are all of the gods handed down in generations the same god or are there just that many gods out there? And are goddesses just as real as gods?

 

[Trailblazer]

So that is like Hertha who reveals her message - to anyone will willing to listen and not just to a select few. Much nicer view.

I do not know who Hertha is.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Theists proof is caused by evolution. Evolution was started by a mix of chemicals on Earth in the earliest times.

Atheists proof. We are a remarkable species when judged by other species. A larger brain, opposable thumbs, complicated speech, etc. But that's all down to evolution a slow process that took millions of years to develop, a god doesn't need millions of years and many tries to get it right. The world around us is constantly evolving, today's landscape bears no resemblant to the landscape millions of years ago.

Theists have no proof only belief.

Sorry, but your opinion changes nothing. "I" have all the proof that "I" need.

 

[Ancient Soul]

You are misrepresenting what I believe.

What I believe is that only Messengers of God can receive communication from God. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

I do not believe that Baha'u'llah was delusional because I believe He was a Messenger of God who received communication from God.

So you "believe" in a delusional cult leader?

Why not blindly believe any of the other delusional self-proclaimed "messengers"/cult leaders who claim THEIR "messages" came from "god"?

 

[Bear Wild]

I do not know who Hertha is.

Hertha is the goddess of the Earth who reveals all to anyone who listens.

 

[firedragon]

Present it then.

Present what? Read the comment I was responding to and please clarify "present it".

 

[Trailblazer]

Now that contradicts your statement that god reveals gods message to everyone.

No, it does not contradict my former statement because I believe God revealed His message to everyone through Baha'u'llah.

Now you are placing things in between people and a god. That is disappointing.

That is true, because I believe there always has to be a mediator between God and man, since no ordinary human can understand God directly.

Hertha communicates to people and all life directly without the need for any messengers which is much more direct and not at risk to misinterpretation from messengers.

I do not know who Hertha is.