Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

 

[The Hammer]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

It took us 200,000 years to gain the capacity to express our reverence for the Gods. They were always there to begin with.

 

[Secret Chief]

Man or ferrets. Hard to decide.

 

[SalixIncendium]

So are modern religions more creations of Man.

All religions are creations of man.

Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

No. He waited 194,000 years.

But seriously, what evidence do you have that no religions existed pre-history?

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

This is the distinction between Judaism and the polytheistic religions of its time. They refused to carve images, insisting that the only one they would worship was God, who created the Earth and the stars and such.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

All religions are creations of man.



No. He waited 194,000 years.

But seriously, what evidence do you have that no religions existed pre-history?

Gobekli Tepe , there are artefacts going back 40.000 years

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We are one an all immersed in the Ocean of God's Mercy, Grace and Bounry.

There is no life without God, man is a creation of God.

Regards Tony

 

[SalixIncendium]

Gobekli Tepe , there are artefacts going back 40.000 years

Please reread my question.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

We are one an all immersed in the Ocean of God's Mercy, Grace and Bounry.

There is no life without God, man is a creation of God.

Regards Tony

Explain the reasons for gods being created before the modern gods and those bearing no relation to main stream religions.

Evolution created Man.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Please reread my question.

Explain what you mean please.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Explain what you mean please.

Your question...

Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

...implies that religion didn't exist prior gods revealing themselves to man a very short time ago, given homo sapiens date back approximately 200k years.

So no revelation of gods implies no religion. Or am I just misunderstanding your question?

 

[The Hammer]

Gobekli Tepe , there are artefacts going back 40.000 years

Recent research shows that Gobekli Tepe, may actually have been a house, not a Temple.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/661207?mobileUi=0&

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Your question...

...implies that religion didn't exist prior gods revealing themselves to man a very short time ago, given homo sapiens date back approximately 200k years.

So no revelation of gods implies no religion. Or am I just misunderstanding your question?

I asked the question after stating religions came long before we invented writing.

You misunderstood.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You misunderstood.

Then I apologize.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Recent research shows that Gobekli Tepe, may actually have been a house, not a Temple.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/661207?mobileUi=0&

There is evidence of earlier buildings under the top one. A house is a strange thing to build on it's own by Hunter Gatherers.

 

[ChristineM]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

One of my hobbies is the study of Europe early humans (cro magnon) between 32000 and 20000 years ago. I have studied most of the cave art and artefacts of the period. Not one can be identified as having religious significance.

As far as i am aware the first religious artefacts did not appear for a further 10000 years

 

[The Hammer]

There is evidence of earlier buildings under the top one. A house is a strange thing to build on it's own by Hunter Gatherers.

We had to have started building houses somewhere. The ones we have today didn't just appear. And to apply religious significance on something of which we have no surviving descendants to talk to, or have knowledge of the language used, is a futile effort. This is a method of classification used as a last resort amongst archaeologists: when it can't be described as anything else, Religious/Symbolic becomes the default catch-all.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If one looks across the broad vista of history and time, one cannot help but notice the amazing diversity of religious belief among humans. Even in the relatively short period of time for which we have some kind of records, we can identify 100,000 different religions, and gods (with varying characteristics) practically beyond number.

In my view, this should tell us something with regard to the opening post: that is, that it is far, far likelier -- on the evidence -- that we humans have invented gods and religions, rather than discovering them, or having them revealed to us.

Unless, that is, you accept that all those 100,000 relgions, and gods beyond number, are real.

 

[Bird123]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

WE are all Spiritual beings in our true natures. Since many realize this, many search for a Higher Spiritual Being whose evidence surrounds us all by what exists. Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God.

Everybody wants to rule the world. I see this as mankind's greatest problem. So much of religion does not add up simply because people wandered from the path towards truth in favor of ruling and controlling the actions of others.

Did God wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to man? You simply do not understand. You like so many have no clue about God.

Let's take a few steps back and see an action of God. Knowledge is not given. One must struggle to acquire knowledge. Wisdom is acquired along the journey to Discover knowledge.

With this in mind, Is God going to reveal itself or anything else? Of course not! God does not hand out knowledge. God places knowledge all around. It waits for us to Discover it. This includes all knowledge, even knowledge about God. God hides nothing. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. Can you see?

How long did mankind watch birds fly before mankind figured out how? The knowledge has always existed around us. What else are we all blind to?

People often define God from what they value and who they see. Many see God as a might ruler, controlling with might, wrath,judging,condemning, and punishing.

How blind can people be? How long did mankind watch lightning in the sky before electricity opened our eyes? The narrow view prevents the Discovery of so very much.

People think this world is about God. This world has never been about God, believing, accepting, following, ruling or controlling.

God is Unconditional Love. This world exists solely for all of us, God's children. The time-based causal nature of the universe is Perfect for learning. That is the only reason it exists.

I wouldn't count on God giving all the answers, having favorites, or catering to believers, worshipers, and followers. God will place truth and knowledge all around. Wisdom is in the palm of our hands. It waits to be Discovered.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Mindmaster]

Ever since Man started to leave evidence of his existence other than his bones he has left artefacts that can be inteptetated as religious.

From ancient carvings to wall paintings.

Later as we became better at creating artefacts, monuments and buildings the evidence is overwhelming. Men were creating religions and gods.

So are modern religions more creations of Man. Or did gods wait 200,000 years to reveal itself to Man?

Depends on what you mean by God.

If you're talking 'god' in terms of the 'one thing' from nothing that infused it's consciousness into everyone that pretends like they're not connected to it. No, nothing created that.

If you're talking about the things men worship and pretend are that thing, then yes. But, some of it has to do with age. Most of the pre-Christian gods were discovered through spiritual investigations and were never considered the supreme or only god. They were worshiped in a very different manner. To a Roman pre-Christian the Greek gods, Egyptian Gods, and many other pagan gods were accepted and worshiped alongside their own in the empire. The all-other-gods-are-bad thing didn't start until Constantine.

These other gods exist as illuminated beings and can be a great assistance to you in a spiritual path, but I doubt even they know the 'creator' as it were other than understanding how it worked. Most of them are much younger than the initial creation, so to speak. Modern 'gods' like Allah and Jehovah don't seem to exist to me, but that's just my sensations and experience.