Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Saint Frankenstein]

So a god was involved in the parts we don't know about. That means it's no god ever written about. If you're a Christian you have 6 days to deal with if you believe your god created the Earth and all in it.
Unless you think your bible is lying to keep you from the truth.

Excuse me? My religious field makes it very clear that I'm not a Christian or follow any Abrahamic religion. My use of "Gods" should've been a clue. Jeez, I want to quit society as even when I make it clear that I'm neither, people still think that Christian or anti-theist are the only options.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The Jews changed the dimensions to make it more seaworthy.

No way. You made that up...do you know how many ancient copies of the Hebrew Scriptures are extant/ available? With little variation.

Evidence against the Flood ever happening is everywhere.

Quite the opposite, in fact; listed below....

There is no continuous layer of evidence the world was enveloped in a great flood, such as bones. DNA proves the Flood never happened. There is evidence that in the late Ice Age the melting Ice caps caused seas around to rise slowly, turning lakes into seas.

But bones are everywhere, especially in the Permafrost spanning Russia, Canada & Alaska! As well as tons of mammoth tusks dredged up from the northern ocean, esp. Bering, seabeds. How did mammoth carcasses end up in those waters?

And BTW... What is the origin of this permafrost, along w/ the polar icecaps? It wasn’t any asteroid hitting the ocean, causing a tsunami carrying seawater; permafrost & icecaps are all fresh water!!
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EDIT: didn’t mean to post so soon....
Flood Evidences — revised

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That is funny. I am not calling anybody ignorant. An argument from ignorance is just a logical fallacy.

So posting it isn't you pointing it to other people's posts? So why do you post it?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

It is not my job to convince others.

Then why are you here posting so much?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I never said that you would or that you should come to the same conclusions as I did.

We all have to come to our own conclusions.

So are the New Race of Men allowed to come to a different conclusion? Because that's not what's told.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I believe what I believe, so I consider it true.
This is not about right and wrong.
Evidence is not right or wrong.

Evidence: anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true: EVIDENCE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search

There is no such thing as universal evidence because what is evidence to one person is not evidence to another person. It might be evidence to another person if they both consider it evidence, or it might not be if they don't both consider it evidence.

Something is evidence to me because it indicates to me that my beliefs are true.
Something will not be evidence to you unless it indicates to you that the beliefs are true.

Others believe what they consider true.

The problem we face is who has the most evidence from the widest sources?

I can prove Bahaullah knew nothing other than what was written in the Torah about Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses. So any conclusion that he came to is false because events proven to not have taken place are attributed to those people. All he knows of Jesus is second, third and fourth-hand accounts, written by people trying to get a new religion started.

You have three people in the faith of Bahaullah, not exactly a great selection. You can believe all you want, don't think others will accept it without question. We were given a free will and we're exercising it.

 

[Bird123]

How it works is that Jesus knows something about God that you do not believe is true. Messengers such as Jesus get communication from God and that is the only way we can know anything about God. That's how God works.

You have no way of knowing God or what God's actions are.
The closest approximation of God is the picture religions paint.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Beliefs are not facts regardless of how badly you want them to be. Further, you will bump into God again. God is not as unreachable as you deem. Aren't you going to be surprised??

That's what I see. It's very very clear!!

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

What many liberal theologians believe about Jesus' death

“Many liberal and some mainline Christian leaders believe that Jesus died during the crucifixion, did not resurrect himself, and was not bodily resurrected by God. At his death, his mind ceased to function and his body started the decomposition process. Returning to life a day and a half later would have been quite impossible. The story of having been wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh seems to have been copied from the story of the death of Osiris -- the Egyptian God of the earth, vegetation and grain. The legend that he visited the underworld between his death and resurrection was simply copied from common Pagan themes of surrounding cultures. One example again was Osiris. "With his original association to agriculture, his death and resurrection were seen as symbolic of the annual death and re-growth of the crops and the yearly flooding of the Nile." 1

They also believe that Paul regarded the resurrection to be an act of God in which Jesus was a passive recipient of God's power. Paul did not mention the empty tomb, the visit by a woman or women, the stone, the angel/angels/man/men at the tomb, and reunion of Jesus with his followers in his resuscitated body. Rather, he believed that Jesus was taken up into heaven in a spirit body. It was only later, from about 70 to 110 CE when the four canonic Gospels were written, that the Christians believed that Jesus rose from the grave in his original body, and by his own power.”

http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htm

All the scholars agree that Jesus in fact existed, so He was not a myth. What is attributed to Him in the NT is another matter because it was written by men who did not even know Jesus, so all the verses about how bad it's going to be for non-believers, false prophets and eternal torture were not necessarily anything Jesus ever said.

Maybe you are right, but you cannot know that the author knew it was not true, so that is just a personal opinion.http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htmSo where does Bahaullah get his information from to say Jesus was a messenger. Don't say from god because he had one visit from god.

I would not need the Writings of Baha’u’llah to know that some things in the Bible are myths and others are not. All I need is a logical mind.http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htmAre you saying those who disagree with you don't have a logical mind?

You cannot prove that, that is just a personal opinion.

You can\tprovemost of what you post, it's just your personal opinion given to you by Bahaullah. We've come to independent opinions.

The origin of God is not the Bible so the Bible does not prove that God is a myth. Just because there are myths in the Bible, that does not mean there is no God. I consider that illogical, because other religions not based upon the Bible also reveal a God, Hinduism for example.

But no bible has got a clue about evolution, creation of the universe, how man, trees, plants, insects we have today came to be here. Religions started 35,000 – 40,000 years ago. or before.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Ego? That's you, matey. I'm not the one defending a belief. I'm suggesting an alternative explanation for your early childhood experience which you seemingly will reject offhand - supposedly knowing all about children and what goes on in their heads and what they might or might not experience.

What?

Are you STILL thinking that everyone's life histories have to change because in your opinion you feel it should?

Yea, it takes some ego to think that's how it works.

Spoiler alert, it doesn't work that way.

Since you have nothing but the same old opinion to offer, we're done.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, I cannot make you see anything. There is no such thing as good evidence because what one person considered good others won’t consider good. I am not going to argue about whether it is good or not.

You have stories of God showing up, but those are just stories. Do you believe these stories just because they are in the Bible? I don’t. As for that being an excuse for God sending Messengers God does not need an excuse.

No, God could not communicate with all humans at once and reveal everything contained in the 15,000 Tablets that Baha’u’llah wrote. Nobody could even understand God if God spoke to them directly, and that is one reason why God uses Messengers, because they can understand God.

I have no interest in convincing you that religion is not a myth. It is not my job to demonstrate Gods or reasons to believe in a Messenger.

You have no way of knowing what I did. I consider it a personal boundary violation when people speak for other people and it is the result of projection.

You make great claims without any evidence to back them up.

There certainly can be good evidence and bad evidence. In the case of religion, most of it is bad.

You believe stories because Bahaullah wrote them down.

You're telling us again what your god can and can't do. How do you know? It can most certainly contact the top 20 leaders in the world and tell them what to do or he kills them. Then moves onto the next 20 leaders.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, that is not what I meant by evidence.

I do not care about scholarly consensus, as I do not consider that evidence that Moses did not exist.

You will never convince me that religions are myth, so there is no reason to continue this conversation. That there are myths in religious scriptures does not mean that religion is a myth.

What is written in older religious scriptures is not evidence that my religion is not true. There is no reason for me to try to explain why I think that because you have made up your mind.

I think this conversation is over. As soon as people start speaking for me and telling me what I care about and why I believe it is over.

So who was this Moses, what did he do to get any fame and where did you find that out?

 

[Trailblazer]

Beliefs are not facts regardless of how badly you want them to be.

That applies equally to your beliefs.

Your beliefs are not facts regardless of how badly you want them to be.

 

[Trailblazer]

So posting it isn't you pointing it to other people's posts? So why do you post it?

To point out when people are making an argument from ignorance, which is a logical fallacy.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then why are you here posting so much?

I am posting mostly because people post to me. Haven't you noticed?

I try to respond to posts that are posted to me because I consider that polite.

 

[Trailblazer]

So are the New Race of Men allowed to come to a different conclusion? Because that's not what's told.

The New Race of Men will think for themselves but they will follow the teachings and laws of the Messenger of God.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No way. You made that up...do you know how many ancient copies of the Hebrew Scriptures are extant/ available? With little variation.

Quite the opposite, in fact; listed below....


But bones are everywhere, especially in the Permafrost spanning Russia, Canada & Alaska! As well as tons of mammoth tusks dredged up from the northern ocean, esp. Bering, seabeds. How did mammoth carcasses end up in those waters?

And BTW... What is the origin of this permafrost, along w/ the polar icecaps? It wasn’t any asteroid hitting the ocean, causing a tsunami carrying seawater; permafrost & icecaps are all fresh water!!
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EDIT: didn’t mean to post so soon....
Flood Evidences — revised

There would be a continual massive layer of all species including humans if the Flood was real.

Tsunamis come from Earthquakes and volcanoes.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...jIuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab

Woolly mammoth - Wikipedia

In a remote, mist-wrapped island north of the eastern tip of Siberia, a small group of woolly mammoths became the last survivors of their once thriving species. They fell extinct 4,000 years ago, having endured for some 6,000 years after the mammoths of the mainland had died off.​

So like I said it's just a made up story to frighten people.

 

[Trailblazer]

I can prove Bahaullah knew nothing other than what was written in the Torah about Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses. So any conclusion that he came to is false because events proven to not have taken place are attributed to those people. All he knows of Jesus is second, third and fourth-hand accounts, written by people trying to get a new religion started.

You cannot prove that unless you can prove that is where He got what he wrote.
What Baha'u'llah git He got from God and what He knew of Jesus was first hand because He was the same spirit of Jesus.
I cannot prove that but that is what I believe.

You have three people in the faith of Bahaullah, not exactly a great selection. You can believe all you want, don't think others will accept it without question. We were given a free will and we're exercising it.

I thought we already covered this. I do not expect anyone to believe what I believe and nobody should ever believe anything without question. Baha'u'llah said that

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

To point out when people are making an argument from ignorance, which is a logical fallacy.

So others posting what they believe is sometimes done from ignorance and when you post that definition you are pointing it out to them.

But you posting what you believe isn't ever from ignorance, even when you have no logical evidence.

 

[Trailblazer]

So where does Bahaullah get his information from to say Jesus was a messenger. Don't say from god because he had one visit from god.

Baha'u'llah was the same Spirit of Jesus so He knew everything that Jesus knew, plus what God revealed to Him about Jesus.

Are you saying those who disagree with you don't have a logical mind?

No, I am not saying that, as we all apply logic in our own ways.

You can tprove most of what you post, it's just your personal opinion given to you by Bahaullah. We've come to independent opinions.

I never said I could prove it, it is a belief. Anyone can have any opinion you they want to have.

But no bible has got a clue about evolution, creation of the universe, how man, trees, plants, insects we have today came to be here. Religions started 35,000 – 40,000 years ago. or before.

That's true, but that does not prove that God does not exist. The Bible is not a source for scientific facts. We have science to complement religion.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I am posting mostly because people post to me. Haven't you noticed?

I try to respond to posts that are posted to me because I consider that polite.

You're claiming people post to you even when you haven't posted?

Or are you just annoyed others don't accept what you say?