Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Would an infallible god need multiple attempts to get humans right?

Would an infallible god have to wait 4.5 billion years to start creating hominids?

Would an infallible god need to have natural events to strike others?

Would an infallible god wipe out all of mankind to rid us of wickedness, or a town, to only see us start again? Are you claiming there is no wickedness here on earth? Making the Flood and Sodom workable events.

Would an infallible god keep telling nobodies to carry its different message, rather than leaders? Knowing they would fail. Which messenger was as effective?

Would an infallible god need a new race of men but leave the old race here for 100,000s of years. That's Baha'is thinking and needs no answer from me.

Your turn.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Would an infallible god need multiple attempts to get humans right?

Would an infallible god have to wait 4.5 billion years to start creating hominids?

Would an infallible god need to have natural events to strike others?

Would an infallible god wipe out all of mankind to rid us of wickedness, or a town, to only see us start again? Are you claiming there is no wickedness here on earth? Making the Flood and Sodom workable events.

Would an infallible god keep telling nobodies to carry its different message, rather than leaders? Knowing they would fail. Which messenger was as effective?

Would an infallible god need a new race of men but leave the old race here for 100,000s of years. That's Baha'is thinking and needs no answer from me.

Your turn.

That is just one version of God.
You still haven't given evidence for the metaphysical status of the world.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That is just one version of God.
You still haven't given evidence for the metaphysical status of the world.

Sogive us your version.

You haven't shown any evidence you are right. All I ask is would an infallible god need to do things the way things were done?

Your replies indicate you take that as someone questioning your beliefs!!!!

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sogive us your version.

You haven't shown any evidence you are right. All I ask is would an infallible god need to do things the way things were done?

Your replies indicate you take that as someone questioning your beliefs!!!!

I don't have to be right! You have to show with evidence that I can't be wrong. I.e. that I can't have a life, while being wrong. You are doing a normative evaluation, which is not science. Your subjective without evidence rule is that I must be right! But that is not true of how the everyday world works. I can be wrong and still have a life.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don't have to be right! You have to show with evidence that I can't be wrong. I.e. that I can't have a life, while being wrong. You are doing a normative evaluation, which is not science. Your subjective without evidence rule is that I must be right! But that is not true of how the everyday world works. I can be wrong and still have a life.

You can study the evidence and make your own mind up. Others will see you trying to avoid presenting evidence and make up their minds.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You can study the evidence and make your own mind up. Others will see you trying to avoid presenting evidence and make up their minds.

Here is evidence. 2 humans. One claims that the world is natural. The other that it is supernatural. One of them are wrong. So humans can be wrong and still be a part of the world.

You have to show how come that I must be right to be in the world?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Here is evidence. 2 humans. One claims that the world is natural. The other that it is supernatural. One of them are wrong. So humans can be wrong and still be a part of the world.

You have to show how come that I must be right to be in the world?

Where is your evidence the world is supernatural?

We have evidence the world is natural.
Some have beliefs it's supernatural.

You might as well believe Father Christmas exists because some believe he does.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Where is your evidence the world is supernatural?

We have evidence the world is natural.
Some have beliefs it's supernatural.

You might as well believe Father Christmas exists because some believe he does.

I don't have it. I am wrong and it is fact, that I can be wrong. The world as natural includes that I am wrong. That is a part of how natural works. It is a fact that I am wrong and that is as natural as e.g. gravity.

Now all you have to show, is what the problem is with being wrong?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I did not say that. I said:
The criteria I use is that any religion that was revealed by God through a Messenger is a real religion.

Of course I would not believe anyone who claimed to hear from God... I'd have to be an idiot to do so!

One has to distinguish between the true Messengers and the false ones and there is a way to do that.

Cool.

So how does that way work exactly?
How do you distinguish a "real" prophet from a false one?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Cool.

So how does that way work exactly?
How do you distinguish a "real" prophet from a false one?

As far as I can tell: Subjectively. It is a subjective belief and requires faith. That is how religion works in a natural world. It is a fact, that religious humans can do so. I.e. we can test it and observe that is how religious humans do it. We subjectively believe and have faith. It is as natural as e.g. gravity.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don't have it. I am wrong and it is fact, that I can be wrong. The world as natural includes that I am wrong. That is a part of how natural works. It is a fact that I am wrong and that is as natural as e.g. gravity.

Now all you have to show, is what the problem is with being wrong?

Did I say there was a problem?

Okay, here goes. Hitler, numerous Popes, Al Queda to name a few, all the way down to Koresh.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Cool.

So how does that way work exactly?
How do you distinguish a "real" prophet from a false one?

You must wait for others to tell you. The problem is all the others telling different stories. Still so long as te method isn't flawed.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Did I say there was a problem?

Okay, here goes. Hitler, numerous Popes, Al Queda to name a few, all the way down to Koresh.

Yes, they were humans. So what is the problem? That they did some not natural? Not a part of the world? What?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Yes, they were humans. So what is the problem? That they did some not natural? Not a part of the world? What?

What are you trying to say?

That some humans are naturally wicked?
Some humans will follow gurus to the point of death?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What are you trying to say?

That some humans are naturally wicked?
Some humans will follow gurus to the point of death?

No, they didn't do anything unnatural. All what they did, happened natural and as a part of a natural world.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, they didn't do anything unnatural. All what they did, happened natural and as a part of a natural world.

So do you believe killing millions is a natural thing?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So do you believe killing millions is a natural thing?

Yes, it is. It is a part of how the world works, so yes.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Do we have another indication of what a god could do?

Would an infallible god create a species that kills so many of its own?

No one can claim we don't kill each other, so if you believe in god you have to believe it wants this outcome.

Of course, gods who is killing humans to get their way. Bibles are full of these stores.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Do we have another indication of what a god could do?

Would an infallible god create a species that kills so many of its own?

No one can claim we don't kill each other, so if you believe in god you have to believe it wants this outcome.

Of course, gods who is killing humans to get their way. Bibles are full of these stores.

You are only refuting a certain version of God.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

You are only refuting a certain version of God.

So tell us your version. Following your version that god would allow us to kill others.
I'm just asking the questions of "Would an infallible god.........."

That's assuming you're not trolling.