Are the details important?

[Yid613]

I sent an e-mail to a friend of mine the other day, he never received it. Now I did leave out the dot in ".com" from his e-mail address. All the other letters were there, his name, the "@", and his e-mail server’s name. When I pressed send I even had the proper intention that it should be sent to him. It did not help. The only thing missing was one detail, a single pixel, a seemingly insignificant dot.

The commandments are not arbitrary. They are given to achieve specific purposes. We cannot see the results of our actions in the spiritual worlds. The only way to achieve the desired results is to follow the instructions we were given. We are unable to determine for ourselves the importance of a particular detail.

I called Tech Support about my e-mail problem. After explaining the problem they told me to read the !@#$% manual and follow the instructions. I’ve questioned the Rabbi’s regarding my observance of the commandments. They gave me the same answer, although phrased in a much nicer way.

 

[Scott1]

Interesting way to put things.... well said.

 

[Fazl Ahmad]

I agree completely with the OP, we need to follow the laws of God strictly, rigidly, and with passion. After all, these aren't manmade parking or seat belt laws that were made to be broken, these are the Laws of God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. Even the seemingly most minute law about how to correctly pray on time or ablution (ritual washing) need to be followed strictly. When people are lax in following the law, they will miss out on immense blessings.

 

[Troublemane]

YouTube - George Carlin - Ten Commandments

 

[Ashuri10]

I sent an e-mail to a friend of mine the other day, he never received it. Now I did leave out the dot in ".com" from his e-mail address. All the other letters were there, his name, the "@", and his e-mail server’s name. When I pressed send I even had the proper intention that it should be sent to him. It did not help. The only thing missing was one detail, a single pixel, a seemingly insignificant dot.

The commandments are not arbitrary. They are given to achieve specific purposes. We cannot see the results of our actions in the spiritual worlds. The only way to achieve the desired results is to follow the instructions we were given. We are unable to determine for ourselves the importance of a particular detail.

I called Tech Support about my e-mail problem. After explaining the problem they told me to read the !@#$% manual and follow the instructions. I’ve questioned the Rabbi’s regarding my observance of the commandments. They gave me the same answer, although phrased in a much nicer way.

Interesting, but now let's look at it from a different angle, today you are required to use the dot when you try to send your friend an email, perhaps in the future this dot could be taken out and be replaced by another pixel when you try to send out an email, in other words the rules for sending emails could very well change.

What I'm trying to say is, perhaps thousands of years ago, people followed laws that made their societies better, but as time advances, new trends and new cultures arise, which in return requires new rules to be blended into some of the older rules, also for some old rules to be wiped out because they simply would not work in today's society.

 

[Yid613]

Interesting, but now let's look at it from a different angle, today you are required to use the dot when you try to send your friend an email, perhaps in the future this dot could be taken out and be replaced by another pixel when you try to send out an email, in other words the rules for sending emails could very well change.

But if those whose original developed what became the internet could see the future they may have done a better job. We would not have to change how e-mail works. Many of the problems with the Net today are because no one could have possible imagined the way it would evolve.

G-d is beyond our space time He does not just know the future buts sees everything everywhere past, present and future. It’s all one picture to Him. He designed His commandments accordingly they are eternal. Any spatial or temporal limitations needed are part of the commandment itself, part of the details of its observance.

The RFC’s were not divine documents they were written by man. Due to our inability to know the future they may need to change. The Torah was written by G-d. He already thought of everything there is no need for any change.

What I'm trying to say is, perhaps thousands of years ago, people followed laws that made their societies better, but as time advances, new trends and new cultures arise, which in return requires new rules to be blended into some of the older rules, also for some old rules to be wiped out because they simply would not work in today's society.

But they do work in today’s society! There are people and communities all over the world observing them. This is certainly easier to due in Brooklyn rather than the Midwest. But they are being observed in the Midwest also.

 

[Willamena]

The commandments are not arbitrary. They are given to achieve specific purposes. We cannot see the results of our actions in the spiritual worlds. The only way to achieve the desired results is to follow the instructions we were given. We are unable to determine for ourselves the importance of a particular detail.

Such a "spiritual worlds" relies on the idea that it is beyond us, beyond our comprehension --much like the necessity of the dot.

If the commandments are beyond us, I think that that should not be so. I think that if they are "beyond us" that there is no way we can ever fulfill them.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I sent an e-mail to a friend of mine the other day, he never received it. Now I did leave out the dot in ".com" from his e-mail address. All the other letters were there, his name, the "@", and his e-mail server’s name. When I pressed send I even had the proper intention that it should be sent to him. It did not help. The only thing missing was one detail, a single pixel, a seemingly insignificant dot.

The details are not so important as the fallibility and intentions of the authors and the limited fidelity of the transmission system ...

 

[Ashuri10]

But if those whose original developed what became the internet could see the future they may have done a better job. We would not have to change how e-mail works. Many of the problems with the Net today are because no one could have possible imagined the way it would evolve.

G-d is beyond our space time He does not just know the future buts sees everything everywhere past, present and future. It’s all one picture to Him. He designed His commandments accordingly they are eternal. Any spatial or temporal limitations needed are part of the commandment itself, part of the details of its observance.

The RFC’s were not divine documents they were written by man. Due to our inability to know the future they may need to change. The Torah was written by G-d. He already thought of everything there is no need for any change.

Negative, I feel that God could at least make a few adjustments to today's world, we live in 2008 AD, not BC.

Take your 613 laws for example, perhaps back in the day, some of them were more accepted, but in today's world, there are some of them that I could easily say to them "I don't think so".

But they do work in today’s society! There are people and communities all over the world observing them. This is certainly easier to due in Brooklyn rather than the Midwest. But they are being observed in the Midwest also.

Life evolves, and culture changes too, today we use the email to communicate, 30 years ago, people used to send letters by physical mail, what I'm trying to say is people will indeed keep and observe some of these basic rules that helps humanity, but keep in mind that not all the rules can be observed today, some of them are not accepted, this is as simple as I can put it.

 

[Willamena]

Negative, I feel that God could at least make a few adjustments to today's world, we live in 2008 AD, not BC.

Does that make it easier for "God" --that we live AD rather than BC?

 

[Ashuri10]

Does that make it easier for "God" --that we live AD rather than BC?

Not sure I understand what you mean, but I smell sarcasm

 

[Willamena]

Not sure I understand what you mean, but I smell sarcasm

I meant no sarcasm, only to question whether time matters.

 

[Ashuri10]

I meant no sarcasm, only to question whether time matters.

Well let's be real here, the best evidence that we have is that these books were written by humans, no one in their right mind can prove that God came down on his own and wrote these books, having said that, one can say that these men were inspired by a God or some sort of faith so they wrote these books and claimed that they are divine books, they go on to talk about all aspect of things, and on top of all it gives out a set of rules to follow.

History says that the earliest set of rules or code of law was written in the Old Babylonian period during King Hammurabbi's time, the rules were written so they can establish and help the society, but if you read some of these rules, you know very well that you cannot apply all of them in today's world, simply because news trends keep coming out not to mention that some ancient laws were indeed bias to a certain group depending who made them.

Would is be easier for God to make rules today? I don't know, meditate and ask, I'm not God

 

[Willamena]

Well let's be real here...

Ahh... invoking "God" again.

...the best evidence that we have is that these books were written by humans, no one in their right mind can prove that God came down on his own and wrote these books, having said that, one can say that these men were inspired by a God or some sort of faith so they wrote these books and claimed that they are divine books, they go on to talk about all aspect of things, and on top of all it gives out a set of rules to follow.

History says that the earliest set of rules or code of law was written in the Old Babylonian period during King Hammurabbi's time, the rules were written so they can establish and help the society, but if you read some of these rules, you know very well that you cannot apply all of them in today's world, simply because news trends keep coming out not to mention that some ancient laws were indeed bias to a certain group depending who made them.

Would [it] be easier for God to make rules today? I don't know, meditate and ask, I'm not God

No worries. I was just wondering if you were going to answer the question I'd asked.

 

[Yid613]

Such a "spiritual worlds" relies on the idea that it is beyond us, beyond our comprehension --much like the necessity of the dot.

If the commandments are beyond us, I think that that should not be so. I think that if they are "beyond us" that there is no way we can ever fulfill them.

The commandments are not beyond us as we perform them in the physical world by doing physical actions. The instructions we are given on how they should be preformed are in term we can understand. We are told not to eat unkosher meat. We are given physical signs to determine if an animal is kosher, split hoof and chews it cud. Even if we do not understand this, or its spiritual implications, it is something we can do.

Now if we read the service manual instead of just the operator’s manual (the kabalistic teachings) we may not be able to understand it fully but we can get a better idea of the mechanisms involved. We would see that the soul of an unkosher animal is tightly bound to the other side, evil. Eating it is spiritually damaging whereas eating kosher meat, with the proper rituals (details), would elevate it. It would have a desirable spiritual effect that affects all the worlds.

Most people only read the quick start guide and then complain that they can’t get the advanced features to work. I guess G-d needs better Tech Support.

 

[Ashuri10]

The commandments are not beyond us as we perform them in the physical world by doing physical actions. The instructions we are given on how they should be preformed are in term we can understand. We are told not to eat unkosher meat. We are given physical signs to determine if an animal is kosher, split hoof and chews it cud. Even if we do not understand this, or its spiritual implications, it is something we can do.

Now if we read the service manual instead of just the operator’s manual (the kabalistic teachings) we may not be able to understand it fully but we can get a better idea of the mechanisms involved. We would see that the soul of an unkosher animal is tightly bound to the other side, evil. Eating it is spiritually damaging whereas eating kosher meat, with the proper rituals (details), would elevate it. It would have a desirable spiritual effect that affects all the worlds.

Most people only read the quick start guide and then complain that they can’t get the advanced features to work. I guess G-d needs better Tech Support.

Eating Kosher meat is one of 613 laws, perhaps this is something you can practice today, as you are free to eat what you like as long as it fits in how modern society reacts to it, I'm wondering how you feel about some of the other laws that you clearly cannot practice in a modern day developed country.

 

[Yid613]

Negative, I feel that God could at least make a few adjustments to today's world, we live in 2008 AD, not BC.

Take your 613 laws for example, perhaps back in the day, some of them were more accepted, but in today's world, there are some of them that I could easily say to them "I don't think so".

Life evolves, and culture changes too, today we use the email to communicate, 30 years ago, people used to send letters by physical mail, what I'm trying to say is people will indeed keep and observe some of these basic rules that helps humanity, but keep in mind that not all the rules can be observed today, some of them are not accepted, this is as simple as I can put it.

Does that make it easier for "God" --that we live AD rather than BC?

Makes it easier for us. There is a commandment to study torah. It’s much easier to study using a computer then a scroll. But basically it’s still the same.

 

[Yid613]

Eating Kosher meat is one of 613 laws, perhaps this is something you can practice today, as you are free to eat what you like as long as it fits in how modern society reacts to it, I'm wondering how you feel about some of the other laws that you clearly cannot practice in a modern day developed country.

My religious freedom is being violated?! :sad4:
Please tell me how, I put my lawyer’s right on it. :drool:

 

[Ashuri10]

In that case, I won't go any further, Jewish lawyers are too darn good to be up against :run:

 

[Yid613]

As I stated before many of the commandments as part of the details of their observance include limitations. Sacrifices can only be made when the Temple is standing. This limitation is intrinsic to the commandment. Not a manmade limitation to make things easy.

However we observe the commandments not just by doing them. But also by learning, teaching, and assisting other to do them. I cannot make a sacrifice today but I still can learn about it and teach it. This also allows me to do the commandment given to women that as a man I would not otherwise be able to do.

Within the limitations intrinsic to the commandments and in the ways specified in the Torah they can all be done. What G-d didn’t know we would have computers and cell phones?