Are the French anti-Semitic ?

[Flankerl]

Actually, I lived in France for years. Do you live in a cave? You clearly don't hear all the stories, because it's really mind boggling how you can just disregard the clear rise of anti-Semitism.

You blame it on mostly Muslims, and I agree with you. But have you seen the Muslim population in France? It grows by the second, and they are very successful at spreading the hate. Maybe it's not that way in Germany, I wouldn't know.

Any way you want to look at it, 17000 people marching and chanting against our right to live in a country is extremely anti-Semitic and should be seen as such. It's also safe to say that the numbers will only rise if people are doing it so publicly now.

But yeah, keep downplaying the situation, it's probably nothing to worry about.


Btw, I actually got confronted by a "white power" idiot on Sukkot, here in Montreal, Canada, in a 90% Jewish neighborhood. You're really saying that it's less likely to happen in Germany or elsewhere in Europe?

Read my posts. Like seriously.
I wrote that i dont see rising antisemitism within the native population but mainly within muslim immigrants.

And yeah i live in a cave. Obviously. What else could it be.

And yeah as long as the muslims dont take over and go full emirate/khalifat the native population will stay in power and no shoah will happen. Really.

But anti-Semitism is not being said to be on the rise in the US right now: it doesn't make a difference when I saw my last skinhead or klansman or whatnot, because that's not the issue here.

And forgive me, but what exactly is the point of noting that Europe isn't a country but made up of many countries (which, perhaps astoundingly, I actually knew)? Europe is a very small continent, wherein the majority of countries are apparently entered into some sort of union-- or so we hear, far off in this corner of the world. Does it really detract from the point that much that anti-Semitism is said to be on the rise in Norway, Sweden, France, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ukraine, and Russia, but so far we haven't necessarily heard bad stuff about Luxembourg or Andorra? Or is it simply that to you, the important thing is what's going on in Germany, and not elsewhere?

For the life of me, I cannot understand why this is a point of contention for you. You're going to dismiss articles from anti-hate organizations because you think they need to create hate hysteria for fundraising purposes?? You really don't think that there's any significant chance that they might just be doing their jobs by reporting what they see going on? And that is to say nothing of those articles that were not from such organizations-- was the problem with those articles that they quoted such organizations at all?

What I find maybe most distressing is that you shrug off such anti-Semitism as does exist merely by blaming it all on Arabs. Now, I have no doubt there is much truth that the influx of Arab immigrants to Europe in the past 20-30 years has certainly been responsible for some anti-Semitism-- likely no small amount of it. But even if you were correct that the majority of the anti-Semitism throughout Europe (or such countries in Europe that have any significant anti-Semitism problem) is being actively perpetrated primarily by Arabs, you are ignoring the fact that everyone else is tolerating it. In examining the stories and reports around these things, in speaking to my family in France, my friends in Britain and Holland, and whatever other sources of news I can find, I hear very little in the way of popular outcry against anti-Semitism, or even of government action to curb it-- a few formulaic condemnations in the wake of tragic incidents, but nothing concrete or decisive. In fact, often much the reverse.

But passive tolerance of hatred is simply passive hatred at best, complicity in whatever arises from the hate at worst. As Edmund Burke said (paraphrasing John Stuart Mill), All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Even if most of the voices raised in anti-Semitism in European countries are Arab voices-- a premise of which I am by no means convinced-- anti-Semitism is still on the rise in those European countries because there is no outcry of equal or greater volume by non-Arab Europeans countering the anti-Semitism.

And, lest you think I hold a double standard, I made the same argument when I helped organize events and rallies against anti-Semitism in Los Angeles, in the Bay Area (Northern California) in the 1990s, and why I would do so again if anti-Semitic incidents were (God forbid) to rise in the Chicago area where I currently reside. I expect a counter outcry to anti-Semitism in any community wherein it arises, and find fault whenever and wherever no such counter outcry emerges.

So its only important if antisemitism is on the rise and not if its well established?
Because last time i checked there were more Nazis in the US than here. But thats probably not the issue.


Its fun how you mainly name countries with huge muslim immigration. One might think there might be a connection. Its probably just a coincidence that they all watch the arab propaganda channels.


Such organisations are basically politics. And i dont trust politics. If your livelihood depends on writing about antisemitism then call me a sceptic about your motive. Simple as that.


Public outcry against a minority in Europe? Enjoy being called a racist even if you say the truth. Politics aint nice. Especially within a multicultural society where you are doomed to like everyone.

I also wrote muslim not arab. Germany for example has almost no arabs but many turks.

 

[Levite]

So its only important if antisemitism is on the rise and not if its well established?
Because last time i checked there were more Nazis in the US than here. But thats probably not the issue.

Its fun how you mainly name countries with huge muslim immigration. One might think there might be a connection. Its probably just a coincidence that they all watch the arab propaganda channels.

Such organisations are basically politics. And i dont trust politics. If your livelihood depends on writing about antisemitism then call me a sceptic about your motive. Simple as that.

Public outcry against a minority in Europe? Enjoy being called a racist even if you say the truth. Politics aint nice. Especially within a multicultural society where you are doomed to like everyone.

I also wrote muslim not arab. Germany for example has almost no arabs but many turks.

To some extent, I think we're talking past one another. And for the rest, I think we're just going to have to disagree. But I am not going to push the issue past debate into argument.

 

[dantech]

I'm not sure if this has been posted.
» A Must Watch Video On The Anti-Semitism That Drove This Family Out Of Europe

 

[metis]

About 15 years ago, I went to a seminar sponsored by the Holocaust Memorial Center near Detroit that had as its speaker a woman in her 30's, I believe, who grew up in a small town in Germany, and this town prided itself in resisting the NAZI's. As a senior in high school, she decided to do a term paper on that subject, so she went back into the newspaper archives, and lo and behold, what she found was instead plenty of collaboration with the NAZI's, including names of prominent citizens who declared later that they resisted the NAZI's.

She stirred up a hornet's nest, people got angry with her and she began to receive death threats, so she moved to a larger city in Germany (I can't remember which), but her story got carried in more than just the local paper. The death threats continued, so she left to go with relatives here in the States.

She said she'll never go back to Germany and that if anyone thinks anti-Semitism is dead in Europe, guess again.

 

[dantech]

About 15 years ago, I went to a seminar sponsored by the Holocaust Memorial Center near Detroit that had as its speaker a woman in her 30's, I believe, who grew up in a small town in Germany, and this town prided itself in resisting the NAZI's. As a senior in high school, she decided to do a term paper on that subject, so she went back into the newspaper archives, and lo and behold, what she found was instead plenty of collaboration with the NAZI's, including names of prominent citizens who declared later that they resisted the NAZI's.

She stirred up a hornet's nest, people got angry with her and she began to receive death threats, so she moved to a larger city in Germany (I can't remember which), but her story got carried in more than just the local paper. The death threats continued, so she left to go with relatives here in the States.

She said she'll never go back to Germany and that if anyone thinks anti-Semitism is dead in Europe, guess again.

Flankerl seems to think Anti-Semitsm isn't on the rise in Europe.
I never understood how one could be so oblivious. This week, however, I spoke to my cousin in Israel, and brought up the 30 missiles. He just dismissed them, and assured me that know one even feels these things in Israel.

For some reason, when you're right in the middle of it, you don't see it.

 

[metis]

Flankerl seems to think Anti-Semitsm isn't on the rise in Europe.
I never understood how one could be so oblivious. This week, however, I spoke to my cousin in Israel, and brought up the 30 missiles. He just dismissed them, and assured me that know one even feels these things in Israel.

For some reason, when you're right in the middle of it, you don't see it.

It's remarkable, but understandable, how they just shrug off these attacks in Israel. I guess it's just something that they're aware they have to live with.

As far as anti-Semitism in Europe, I know most of this is coming from the Middle Easterners there, and some of my family in Sweden, who are not Jewish, have seen a rise in recent years, but mostly by the M.E. community there. The crazy thing is that the government, including even some of the local governments where the problem is at its worse, are pretty much in denial, and some of them turn it on us by stating or implying that it's mostly Israel's fault.

Shabbat shalom

 

[CMike]

Read my posts. Like seriously.
I wrote that i dont see rising antisemitism within the native population but mainly within muslim immigrants.

And yeah i live in a cave. Obviously. What else could it be.

And yeah as long as the muslims dont take over and go full emirate/khalifat the native population will stay in power and no shoah will happen. Really.





So its only important if antisemitism is on the rise and not if its well established?
Because last time i checked there were more Nazis in the US than here. But thats probably not the issue.


Its fun how you mainly name countries with huge muslim immigration. One might think there might be a connection. Its probably just a coincidence that they all watch the arab propaganda channels.


Such organisations are basically politics. And i dont trust politics. If your livelihood depends on writing about antisemitism then call me a sceptic about your motive. Simple as that.


Public outcry against a minority in Europe? Enjoy being called a racist even if you say the truth. Politics aint nice. Especially within a multicultural society where you are doomed to like everyone.

I also wrote muslim not arab. Germany for example has almost no arabs but many turks.

I find it very troubeling that refuse to acknowledge the rise of anti-semitism in Europe despite the documentation.

 

[Flankerl]

Flankerl seems to think Anti-Semitsm isn't on the rise in Europe.
I never understood how one could be so oblivious. This week, however, I spoke to my cousin in Israel, and brought up the 30 missiles. He just dismissed them, and assured me that know one even feels these things in Israel.

For some reason, when you're right in the middle of it, you don't see it.

Do you also worry about a rise of car accidents every time you hear about one on the radio?

Again this Europe generalisation coupled with this weird inability to understand what i wrote. I wrote about a rise of antisemitism due to certain ethnic groups. Is that really so hard to understand?

About 15 years ago, I went to a seminar sponsored by the Holocaust Memorial Center near Detroit that had as its speaker a woman in her 30's, I believe, who grew up in a small town in Germany, and this town prided itself in resisting the NAZI's. As a senior in high school, she decided to do a term paper on that subject, so she went back into the newspaper archives, and lo and behold, what she found was instead plenty of collaboration with the NAZI's, including names of prominent citizens who declared later that they resisted the NAZI's.

She stirred up a hornet's nest, people got angry with her and she began to receive death threats, so she moved to a larger city in Germany (I can't remember which), but her story got carried in more than just the local paper. The death threats continued, so she left to go with relatives here in the States.

She said she'll never go back to Germany and that if anyone thinks anti-Semitism is dead in Europe, guess again.

Source?

Also yeah Nazis were employed after the war. In fact it was US policy because there was a country to rebuild and this immense fear of a strong communist movement in the west due to famine and all that fun stuff.


Those arent even secrets and are openly discussed in Germany. Next.

As far as anti-Semitism in Europe, I know most of this is coming from the Middle Easterners there, and some of my family in Sweden, who are not Jewish, have seen a rise in recent years, but mostly by the M.E. community there. The crazy thing is that the government, including even some of the local governments where the problem is at its worse, are pretty much in denial, and some of them turn it on us by stating or implying that it's mostly Israel's fault.

Shabbat shalom

"Sweden cracks down on Muslims, racism on the rise in Europe"

You people simply dont realise what multiculturalism means and what kind of problems arise because of it. Its funny because multiculturalism was kinda wanted by the US for Europe. Which makes this whole thread rather amusing to me.

I find it very troubeling that refuse to acknowledge the rise of anti-semitism in Europe despite the documentation.

A oneliner. How nice.





So what do you all expect to happen here as in terms of governmental reaction?

Those who contribute mostly to the rise of antisemitism are deeply rooted within their families and religion so there is no way to pick them out.

So what to do? Please dont mention education because it doesnt help.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

From Wikipedia

Antisemitism (prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage), has experienced a long history of expression since the days of ancient civilizations, with most of it having originated in the Christian and pre-Christian civilizations of Europe.

While it has been cited as having been expressed in the intellectual and political centers of ancient Greece and the Roman Empire, the phenomenon received greater institutionalization within European Christianity following the dissolution of the ancient Jewish center of power in Jerusalem, resulting at times in the forced segregation of Jewish populations residing in various parts of the continent and restrictions on their participation in the public life of European society.

In the 20th century, anti-Semitism during the reign of fascist regimes such as Nazi Germany resulted in the death and dislocation of the majority of Europe's Jewish population.

In the post-Cold War era, a New antisemitism in Europe has coalesced. The new anti-Semitism emanates from the far-right, the political left, and a growing Muslim population within European nations. A statistical analysis shows that 150 million people in across Europe have "serious anti-Semitic" or "demonic view of Israel".

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Academic research

The summary of a 2004 poll by the "Pew Global Attitudes Project" noted, "Despite concerns about rising antisemitism in Europe, there are no indications that anti-Jewish sentiment has increased over the past decade. Favorable ratings of Jews are actually higher now in France, Germany and Russia than they were in 1991. Nonetheless, Jews are better liked in the U.S. than in Germany and Russia." However, according to 2005 survey results by the Anti-Defamation League, antisemitic attitudes remain common in Europe. Over 30% of those surveyed indicated that Jews have too much power in business, with responses ranging from lows of 11% in Denmark and 14% in England to highs of 66% in Hungary, and over 40% in Poland and Spain. The results of religious antisemitism also linger and over 20% of European respondents agreed that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus, with France having the lowest percentage at 13% and Poland having the highest number of those agreeing, at 39%.

A 2006 study in the Journal of Conflict Resolution found that although almost no respondents in countries of the European Union regarded themselves as antisemitic, antisemitic attitudes correlated with anti-Israel opinions. Looking at populations in 10 European countries, Small and Kaplan surveyed 5,000 respondents, asking them about Israeli actions and classical anti-Semitic stereotypes. "There were questions about whether the IDF purposely targets children, whether Israel poisons the Palestinians' water supply - these sorts of extreme mythologies," Small says. "The people who believed the anti-Israel mythologies also tended to believe that Jews are not honest in business, have dual loyalties, control government and the economy, and the like," Small says. According to this study, anti-Israel respondents were 56% more likely to be anti-Semitic than the average European. "This is extraordinary. It's off the charts." says Small. The study also found that popular levels of both antisemitism and anti-Israel opinion were lower than expected, and did not equate antisemitism with anti-Zionism.

 

[dantech]

From Wikipedia

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I may have missed it, but it doesn't say anything about anti-Semitism actually being on the rise right? It only says that it's not as high as he would have expected, in 2004-2006.

 

[CMike]

Do you also worry about a rise of car accidents every time you hear about one on the radio?

Again this Europe generalisation coupled with this weird inability to understand what i wrote. I wrote about a rise of antisemitism due to certain ethnic groups. Is that really so hard to understand?





Source?

Also yeah Nazis were employed after the war. In fact it was US policy because there was a country to rebuild and this immense fear of a strong communist movement in the west due to famine and all that fun stuff.


Those arent even secrets and are openly discussed in Germany. Next.




"Sweden cracks down on Muslims, racism on the rise in Europe"

You people simply dont realise what multiculturalism means and what kind of problems arise because of it. Its funny because multiculturalism was kinda wanted by the US for Europe. Which makes this whole thread rather amusing to me.





A oneliner. How nice.





So what do you all expect to happen here as in terms of governmental reaction?

Those who contribute mostly to the rise of antisemitism are deeply rooted within their families and religion so there is no way to pick them out.

So what to do? Please dont mention education because it doesnt help.

Step 1 is to recognize that it exists. You can't combat a problem effectively until you realize that it exists.

 

[Flankerl]

Step 1 is to recognize that it exists. You can't combat a problem effectively until you realize that it exists.

So no solution.

You really have to try better on this. Muslims are a minority and under glorious multiculturalism basically protected from major criticism. But the same goes for Gypsies(the codeword for anything bad coming from them is Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants btw, also a very amusing topic) or even us.


So how to combat their antisemitism without damaging multiculturalism?

 

[Avi1001]

......You should leave the US, its not safe there. In WW2 they put american citizens of certain ethnicities into camps because they thought they would be a danger to society.

You could be next.

:sorry1:

Hehe, Flankie, you have indeed convinced me that there is no danger to yourself or other Jews living in Germany or France !

Btw, have you considered getting a gun ? CMike could help to recommend a model for you. It might be good to have in case any large rats come after you.

 

[Flankerl]

Hehe, Flankie, you have indeed convinced me that there is no danger to yourself or other Jews living in Germany or France !

In which font size do i have to write about the dangers of muslim extremism and its antisemitism until people see it?
Because apparently the font i have been using seems to be way too small for people to notice.

Btw, have you considered getting a gun ? CMike could help to recommend a model for you. It might be good to have in case any large rats come after you.

Gun legislation in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dantech]

Yes, we hear you loud and clear. This time, instead of the Nazi's we fear the Muslim's. Isn't it ashame though, Europe seems to need to learn the same lesson over and over and over again. They are not fools and idiots in Germany and France, are they ? By the way, I say this as the son of a holocaust survivor.



Yeah, yeah, we know how smart the Europeans are about gun control. Take away all the guns and the state can become the dictator. Europe needs a 2nd Amendment....bunch of arrogant fools they are !!! Sorry for my direct language.

This.

 

[CMike]

Hehe, Flankie, you have indeed convinced me that there is no danger to yourself or other Jews living in Germany or France !

Btw, have you considered getting a gun ? CMike could help to recommend a model for you. It might be good to have in case any large rats come after you.

I think a Glock 19 9 mm is a good all around handgun. It's even Austrian :drool:

I suggest it for her.

 

[CMike]

So no solution.

You really have to try better on this. Muslims are a minority and under glorious multiculturalism basically protected from major criticism. But the same goes for Gypsies(the codeword for anything bad coming from them is Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants btw, also a very amusing topic) or even us.


So how to combat their antisemitism without damaging multiculturalism?

Step 1- Call it out

 

[Flankerl]

Yes, we hear you loud and clear. This time, instead of the Nazi's we fear the Muslim's. Isn't it ashame though, Europe seems to need to learn the same lesson over and over and over again. They are not fools and idiots in Germany and France, are they ? By the way, I say this as the son of a holocaust survivor.

So because a rising numbers of immigrants are antisemitic the native population needs to learn the same lesson over and over again.

Well that makes sense.

By the way, I say this as the granddaughter of two holocaust survivors.

Yeah, yeah, we know how smart the Europeans are about gun control. Take away all the guns and the state can become the dictator. Europe needs a 2nd Amendment....bunch of arrogant fools they are !!! Sorry for my direct language.

So its down to insulting people. Thanks for displaying what most people in Europe dislike about americans. Though to see it in this Forum is kinda interesting.

Maybe the best thing to do, Flankie, is move to America. We can see you like communicating with us.

Sorry i quite enjoy my life without drug and gang wars.

Step 1- Call it out

Thats racist. Next.

 

[metis]

Source?

Also yeah Nazis were employed after the war. In fact it was US policy because there was a country to rebuild and this immense fear of a strong communist movement in the west due to famine and all that fun stuff.

Those arent even secrets and are openly discussed in Germany. Next.

"Sweden cracks down on Muslims, racism on the rise in Europe"

You people simply dont realise what multiculturalism means and what kind of problems arise because of it. Its funny because multiculturalism was kinda wanted by the US for Europe. Which makes this whole thread rather amusing to me.

I don't remember her name, so I can't link you to that source. The situation in Sweden, using Malmo as an example, is a city where some of my cousins live, and it was mentioned in an article in "Moment" magazine sometime last fall, I believe.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with multiculturalism, imo, and I don't see how the U.S. supposedly wanted this for Europe.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So because a rising numbers of immigrants are antisemitic the native population needs to learn the same lesson over and over again.

Well that makes sense.

By the way, I say this as the granddaughter of two holocaust survivors.

:clap