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Are the Noahide laws from the Torah, or the Talmud?

Are the Noahide laws from the Torah, or the Talmud?

  • Noahide laws would exist without the Talmud

    Votes: 4 66.7%

  • Noahidism if from the Talmud, not the Torah

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Noahide laws wouldn't exist without the Talmud

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Total voters
    6
  • Poll closed .
Flankerl

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
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[x] Noahide laws would exist without the Talmud
[_] Noahidism if from the Talmud, not the Torah
[x] Noahide laws wouldn't exist without the Talmud

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Shem Ben Noah

Shem Ben Noah

INACTIVE
Both, but the Talmud is irrelevant. If it's not in the Torah it's fiction, fable, and farce.

Interestingly, I'm in the process of creating my OWN list, based on events in the Torah.
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
syncretic said:
/Are the Noah laws from Torah, or the Talmud? Would the Noahide laws exist without the Talmud?

From another thread, /
@Tumah
@Shem Ben Noah
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  • The way you had phrased the question I cannot answer. I’ll put my two cents in anyway. According to Judaism the Noahide Laws always existed. Murder was never permitted. Stealing was never permitted and so on. The Torah has always been. Creation came after. The Talmud is commentary on the Torah.
 
D

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
roger1440 said:
  • The way you had phrased the question I cannot answer. I’ll put my two cents in anyway. According to Judaism the Noahide Laws always existed. Murder was never permitted. Stealing was never permitted and so on. The Torah has always been. Creation came after. The Talmud is commentary on the Torah.
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The first voting option seems to match what you wrote. Not sure what is confusing about the original question.
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
syncretic said:
The first voting option seems to match what you wrote. Not sure what is confusing about the original question.
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Not necessarily. The Talmud is commentary on the Torah. It explains the Torah. If an explanation has always been true, then the explanation is timeless.
 
Shem Ben Noah

Shem Ben Noah

INACTIVE
roger1440 said:
Not necessarily. The Talmud is commentary on the Torah. It explains the Torah. If an explanation has always been true, then the explanation is timeless.
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SOME of it is commentary, much is tales and trash.

One must be aware of reasons behind things.

Take the Talmud's 'Noahide laws' for example. These were NOT compiled to assist or inform gentiles of what God expects of them, but rather as a legal system to condemn (& behead) gentiles living in their land when they're in power. That's why there's only one punishment (beheading), NO positive laws - only negative ones, and obvious shortcomings and omissions.

Their reason is NOT to better mankind or anything like that, which is how they're being sold today.
 
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Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
roger1440 said:
  • The way you had phrased the question I cannot answer. I’ll put my two cents in anyway. According to Judaism the Noahide Laws always existed. Murder was never permitted. Stealing was never permitted and so on. The Torah has always been. Creation came after. The Talmud is commentary on the Torah.
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The Talmud is not only a commentary on the Torah. I'm not even sure commentary would be the correct word as most of what it does isn't explanation but derivation. And even that only represents - I don't know, maybe half to two thirds of the Talmud.

In the case of the Noahide Laws, the Talmud doesn't derive them from the Torah. They had a tradition about the Noahide Laws and then they found verses to create an Asmachta. That's why personally I voted that without the Talmud there would be no Noahide Laws today. Who remembered them without the Talmud? If there would be no Talmud, who would have told you about them?

Its true that we believe the Torah preceded the Creation (but has not always been). But it wasn't sent down until Mt. Sinai. The Noahide Laws were already around for 26 generations at that point since Adam. So the Noahide Laws are not from the Torah anymore than saying your shoes are from the Torah.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
roger1440 said:
Do we need to be told not to murder and steal or maybe just reminded?
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1. Look at history and then ask that.
2. There's a difference between not murdering and not murdering because G-d said not to.
3. There two pertaining to G-d are apparently not as obvious as the other five.
 
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