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Are there any accurate gaps for God?

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
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I'm not one to use "god of the gaps" as a reason to believe in God, I have other reasons.

But where is the point when physical ends and spiritual begins? The two worlds have specific tools to study these worlds by: Science for the physical, religion for the spiritual. We dwell in the physical world, and so we can only use the religion tool limitedly. Men expect God to be proven via science, and that's sorta like looking for proof of gravity with your head turned towards biology.

But I think, if we could absolutely conclude that there is something in meatspace has no actual reason for being in place, it just sorta happens to be there, then we could find a line where God or spiritual comes in.

For example: What enforced the laws of physics? Why are they here? Where did they come from?

Ask yourself; why is X the way X is? and keep asking why for each answer until the core (unreachable most likely). There has to be a certain point where things are the way they are simply because they are that way, like a given (as a mathematical term).

At this point - it might not exactly prove a spiritual world, however it doesn't make sense to say "things are determined this way simply because they are determined that way." As a determinist, I wouldn't disagree that all actions are influenced by an earlier or present force, a complex chain reaction. Somewhere down the line, though, there is chaos, an unreasonable happening.

I've gotten replies to this question that relate to "Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean there is an obvious gap in that area, it's simply an unexplored phenomena." somewhere along those lines. My initial thought to that was - a random, unexplained phenomena is inevitable. Either everything always existed as it is, which means there's no reason why it existed as is in the first place. Otherwise, somewhere down the line of chain reaction there is a cause of it, you can't have effect without cause. This cause, by logic, is required to be random, just chance, because otherwise it'd be an effect too, and you would have to go deeper until you find an independent cause.

That may be because, being physical beings, we can't truly observe the spiritual, and so from our point of view, it just came from nowhere, it just is. That's the only way I can imagine why.

This could be where God/spirituals comes in, without specific detail.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Forgot to mention another thing.

People I've asked sometimes used the argument of "then where did God come from?" Well, our comprehension of the spiritual world is like a gnat comprehending physics on the moon. I don't see it irrational to say that the spiritual world is completely void of cause and effect and is dependent only on itself. That would be something that comes from timelessness.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I'm not one to use "god of the gaps" as a reason to believe in God, I have other reasons.

But where is the point when physical ends and spiritual begins? The two worlds have specific tools to study these worlds by: Science for the physical, religion for the spiritual. We dwell in the physical world, and so we can only use the religion tool limitedly. Men expect God to be proven via science, and that's sorta like looking for proof of gravity with your head turned towards biology.

But I think, if we could absolutely conclude that there is something in meatspace has no actual reason for being in place, it just sorta happens to be there, then we could find a line where God or spiritual comes in.

For example: What enforced the laws of physics? Why are they here? Where did they come from?

Ask yourself; why is X the way X is? and keep asking why for each answer until the core (unreachable most likely). There has to be a certain point where things are the way they are simply because they are that way, like a given (as a mathematical term).

At this point - it might not exactly prove a spiritual world, however it doesn't make sense to say "things are determined this way simply because they are determined that way." As a determinist, I wouldn't disagree that all actions are influenced by an earlier or present force, a complex chain reaction. Somewhere down the line, though, there is chaos, an unreasonable happening.

I've gotten replies to this question that relate to "Just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean there is an obvious gap in that area, it's simply an unexplored phenomena." somewhere along those lines. My initial thought to that was - a random, unexplained phenomena is inevitable. Either everything always existed as it is, which means there's no reason why it existed as is in the first place. Otherwise, somewhere down the line of chain reaction there is a cause of it, you can't have effect without cause. This cause, by logic, is required to be random, just chance, because otherwise it'd be an effect too, and you would have to go deeper until you find an independent cause.

That may be because, being physical beings, we can't truly observe the spiritual, and so from our point of view, it just came from nowhere, it just is. That's the only way I can imagine why.

This could be where God/spirituals comes in, without specific detail.

I think it is important to keep in mind that cause and effect are not universal. Cause and effect break down at the quantum level and of course only apply within time, pre-time there can be no cause and effect. The universe does not need to be caused.

You mention timelessness, and of course effect does not follow cause without time.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
That may be because, being physical beings, we can't truly observe the spiritual, and so from our point of view, it just came from nowhere, it just is. That's the only way I can imagine why.

This could be where God/spirituals comes in, without specific detail.

If we can't truly observe the spiritual (BTW: what do you mean by "spiritual"?), then when the physical ends, the wild-*** guessing begins.
 

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
The accurate gap to put God into is:

"Does life have a purpose?"

I don't think any scientific gaps are appropriate. Only philosophical ones.

EDIT: To add that not putting god in this philosophical gap is also appropriate.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
If we can't truly observe the spiritual (BTW: what do you mean by "spiritual"?), then when the physical ends, the wild-*** guessing begins.

Agreed. And by spiritual I meant a realm foreign to the physical realm, in general. I would've detailed it as holy, or godly but that would only be assuming the very nature of it.
 
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