Are These Grounds for Legalizing Pedophilia?

[Alceste]

You keep using the word "icky" while I'm discussing mental health, so I suspect that you're struggling to grasp the subject. Are you seriously asking why finding the thought of hurting people, especially children, to be sexually gratifying is worse then something benign like a foot fetish? Seriously?



I wouldn't go far as to say "mentally ill", but I wouldn't consider it to be particularly healthy to be aroused by the idea brutalizing someone, and in fact suspect that it's likely indicative of some issues.



Ethics are about actions and interactions, and we're talking about thoughts and fantasies within the private recesses of people's minds, are we not?

Yeah, that's me to a T. Twisting words and struggling to grasp subjects. You nailed it.

Whether you're into sexing up children, watching women have sex with animals, getting somebody to poop in your mouth, getting kicked in the balls, or any other sexual fantasy that I personally find unpalatable, it's definitely indicative of some psychological issues. But, as you say, ethics is about actions, not thoughts, so I don't judge people for their sexual fantasies. I judge them for what they do.

I'm glad we finally agree!

 

[Alceste]

You've lost me.

Penises just work. Clitorises - well, she's got to be in the mood, she's probably got a particular "thing" she likes done to it, and of course the big one - it has to be involved in the encounter in some way (which most men I've been with have struggled to understand), and worst of all, you actually have to TALK to her to figure it all out.

Penises, heck I've seen penises that "work" "properly" just from kissing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Penises just work. Clitorises - well, she's got to be in the mood, she's probably got a particular "thing" she likes done to it, and of course the big one - it has to be involved in the encounter in some way (which most men I've been with have struggled to understand), and worst of all, you actually have to TALK to her to figure it all out.

Penises, heck I've seen penises that "work" "properly" just from kissing.

Lol. I think it was more the woman in your case than her equipment. I have meager IRL experience with cisgender women but I didn't have any of those issues you mentioned when it came to turning her on and giving her an orgasm.

 

[Alceste]

Lol. I think it was more the woman in your case than her equipment. I have meager IRL experience with cisgender women but I didn't have any of those issues you mentioned when it came to turning her on and giving her an orgasm.

Well, I'm talking about me. OTOH, I've pretty much only been with cisgender men, so maybe that's my problem right there.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I'm talking about me. OTOH, I've pretty much only been with cisgender men, so maybe that's my problem right there.

Aww. I'll admit that I do have an advantage over cisgender men when it comes to satisfying females because I have the same equipment and know how it works.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeah, that's me to a T. Twisting words and struggling to grasp subjects. You nailed it.

Whether you're into sexing up children, watching women have sex with animals, getting somebody to poop in your mouth, getting kicked in the balls, or any other sexual fantasy that I personally find unpalatable, it's definitely indicative of some psychological issues. But, as you say, ethics is about actions, not thoughts, so I don't judge people for their sexual fantasies. I judge them for what they do.

I'm glad we finally agree!

Do you agree that, when it comes to an individual's mental health, some fetishes may be more disconcerting than others? I imagine that you would rather your husband fantasize about snacking on scat than fantasize about kidnapping, torturing, raping, murdering, and finally cannibalizing toddlers, right?

 

[Alceste]

Aww. I'll admit that I do have an advantage over cisgender men when it comes to satisfying females because I have the same equipment and know how it works.

I know, right? That's what's hot about FTMs. Actually, my FTM friend was one of a very small number of women (when he was a biological woman) that I've ever had a mad crush on. It didn't really work out because I'm not that into lesbians. Now he's a dude, and single, but I'm married. OTOH, I'm married to a polyamorous man...

 

[Alceste]

Do you agree that, when it comes to an individual's mental health, some fetishes may be more disconcerting than others? I imagine you would rather your husband fantasize about snacking on scat than fantasize about kidnapping, torturing, raping, murdering, and finally cannibalizing toddlers, right?

It's a toss up, to be honest. They're both well beyond my own psychological comfort zone, and well into the zone I've been describing as "icky". I don't spend a heck of a lot of time dwelling on such things, but suffice it to say that if any guy I'd been with was into either of those things, he would never have become my husband in the first place. In fact, I once broke up with a guy because he told me he'd had sex with farm animals as a kid, and that's almost normal.

But I like how you've "twisted" pedophilia into fantasies of torture, murder and cannibalism. Nice touch!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I know, right? That's what's hot about FTMs. Actually, my FTM friend was one of a very small number of women (when he was a biological woman) that I've ever had a mad crush on. It didn't really work out because I'm not that into lesbians. Now he's a dude, and single, but I'm married.

Thanks. Yeah, I guess being trans isn't all bad. It's like how I keep hearing from cis guys about how trans women are the best at oral sex.

OTOH, I'm married to a polyamorous man...

There you go! If you're still interested in the trans guy, talk to your husband about it and maybe you can play around with him, then.

Lol, everyone's getting laid except for me. I'm the sex advice person who never gets any.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you agree that, when it comes to an individual's mental health, some fetishes may be more disconcerting than others? I imagine that you would rather your husband fantasize about snacking on scat than fantasize about kidnapping, torturing, raping, murdering, and finally cannibalizing toddlers, right?

I've talked to people who were into cannibalism, necro, death fantasies, etc. It's rather boring to me at this point. Actually, I find it funny how people get all freaked out over stuff like that.

 

[Alceste]

Thanks. Yeah, I guess being trans isn't all bad. It's like how I keep hearing from cis guys about how trans women are the best at oral sex.



There you go! If you're still interested in the trans guy, talk to your husband about it and maybe you can play around with him, then.

Lol, everyone's getting laid except for me. I'm the sex advice person who never gets any.

Maybe you shouldn't live in Ohio. My FTM buddy lives in Seattle and has no trouble getting laid.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Maybe you shouldn't live in Ohio. My FTM buddy lives in Seattle and has no trouble getting laid.

I know I shouldn't live here. I'm going back to California eventually. I'm from San Francisco. I hate the Midwest. Sex isn't high on my list of priorities, however, even though I would certainly like intimacy with someone. *sigh*

 

[Alceste]

I've talked to people who were into cannibalism, necro, death fantasies, etc. It's rather boring to me at this point. Actually, I find it funny how people get all freaked out over stuff like that.

I think it's funny that you're thinking of going into mental health. I like imagining how that impacts the comfort level of the readers here who are prone to histrionics about what kind of private thoughts people have.

From every conversation I've had with my psychoanalyst mother-in-law (and her son), you've actually got the perfect constitution for mental health work. You can't be squeamish if you want people to share their most private thoughts with you, that's for sure.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think it's funny that you're thinking of going into mental health. I like imagining how that impacts the comfort level of the readers here who are prone to histrionics about what kind of private thoughts people have.

From every conversation I've had with my psychoanalyst mother-in-law (and her son), you've actually got the perfect constitution for mental health work. You can't be squeamish if you want people to share their most private thoughts with you, that's for sure.

Thanks. Haha. I've been on all kinds of weird forums and websites. There's nothing I haven't heard of. The only groups that I fly into hateful tantrums about are people who torture animals and people to death for fun. I've seen all the sorts of depravity on the Internet, but that stuff makes me want to exterminate humans. But if someone just has thoughts of doing that stuff (I can't judge because my thoughts go into depraved animalistic territory at times and I can name a number of people and groups I wouldn't mind seeing die a horrible death), I can't be too mad. They need self-control to not translate it into reality.

We're all ****** up in our own way.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's a toss up, to be honest.

I don't think it's honest at all. In fact I think it's rather disingenuous.

They're both well beyond my own psychological comfort zone, and well into the zone I've been describing as "icky".

This isn't about your comfort zone or what you find icky. It's about how something reflects the psychological state of an individual. So from a mental health perspective, you seriously wouldn't consider kiddy killing any worse than poo munching?

But I like how you've "twisted" pedophilia into fantasies of torture, murder and cannibalism. Nice touch!

I compared fetish A to fetish B, neither of which was supposed to represent anything other than themselves. The point was that not all fetishes are equal when it comes mental health. I know you desperately want to insist that they are, but I'm going to have to side with the psychiatrists on this one.

 

[Alceste]

Thanks. Haha. I've been on all kinds of weird forums and websites. There's nothing I haven't heard of. The only groups that I fly into hateful tantrums about are people who torture animals and people to death for fun. I've seen all the sorts of depravity on the Internet, but that stuff makes me want to exterminate humans. But if someone just has thoughts of doing that stuff (I can't judge because my thoughts go into depraved animalistic territory at times and I can name a number of people and groups I wouldn't mind seeing die a horrible death), I can't be too mad. They need self-control to not translate it into reality.

We're all ****** up in our own way.

Yeah, I think that should be a qualification for mental health work. First you must accept that humanity in general is a broken, sordid, awful mess. People who don't perceive the world this way tend to wash out of psychology courses.

BTW, have you been watching True Detective? I bet you'd love it.

 

[Alceste]

I don't think it's honest at all. In fact I think it's rather disingenuous.

This isn't about your comfort zone or what you find icky. It's about how something reflects the psychological state of an individual.



I compared fetish A to fetish B, neither of which was supposed to represent anything other than themselves. The point was that not all fetishes are equal when it comes mental health.

I do love how you start every post by trying to insult me. Did you know I mark a notch in my debate victory counter every time you do it? True story!

I agree, not all fetishes are equal. To me, wanting somebody to crap in your mouth is actually more repulsive than wanting to engage in a consensual, mutually rewarding sexual relationship with a prepubescent child. But the point I'm making is that as long as it's just thoughts we're talking about, I don't care and I don't need to know.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah, I think that should be a qualification for mental health work. First you must accept that humanity in general is a broken, sordid, awful mess. People who don't perceive the world this way tend to wash out of psychology courses.

I am definitely a misanthrope so there you go. I have been strongly interested in abnormal psychology for years and it led me to looking into every form of human weirdness and depravity that you can think of. Some of it I probably shouldn't have bothered with because it's traumatizing, but my curiosity gets the best of me. I just want to know everything about the world we live in, including the horror that is usually hidden from us but is still all around us.

But there are many things that I'll never tell a therapist, even if it pains me. Some things, I just can't really talk about, especially face to face. I think it's okay to keep some sordid aspects of yourself to yourself.

BTW, have you been watching True Detective? I bet you'd love it.

I haven't. I don't have HBO. I'm very poor. Lol. I do watch all the true crime stuff I come across on TV, though.

 

[Father Heathen]

I've talked to people who were into cannibalism, necro, death fantasies, etc. It's rather boring to me at this point. Actually, I find it funny how people get all freaked out over stuff like that.

Mental issues aren't something we should find frightening or entertaining. It is okay to be fascinated by, as long as it's approached with respect and compassion.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Mental issues aren't something we should find frightening or entertaining. It is okay to be fascinated by, as long as it's approached with respect and compassion.

I approach it by being jaded. Or turned on. I don't know, depends on how they word it.