Are you a better person now due to your faith?

[Jollybear]

I tried to explain. I'm not sure what you're not getting. In relativity, time and space combine into space-time. If you imagine space as just two dimensions (a plane) then space-time would be a 3 dimensional block. Imagine time to be the vertical axis, with (say) the future in the up direction. The important thing is that change over time is the same as distance in the up direction, so the whole of space-time is unchanging. Things within it experience change but not the universe as a whole.

Part of the evidence that things are like this is that there is no absolute now - or any absolute moment that applies to every observer simultaneity itself is relative. Also different observers have different time axes - they all (in our analogy) point in the up direction but can be at angles to each other (that's why we get time dilation).

Do you believe theres a God?

 

[Jollybear]

I don't see how that solves anything. You'll have to step me through your thought process there. Exactly how did you conclude:

- if something always existed, it creates an infinite regress "problem" (whatever this problem is supposed to be)

You didnt understand the problem with the train analogy?

- if something always existed but is "static," it doesn't have this "problem."

And meanwhile, you've created more problems for yourself, since something static can't do dynamic things, like engage in creation.

But, it depends on the nature of this static thing is.

If the nature of it is unconcious, unintelligent energy, then thats correct, it cannot do dynamic things. But if its conciouse intelligence, then it can by intention do something dynamic. But, itself is static.

 

[Jollybear]

It did not meet any criteria of explanation, it was simply a recital of opinion.

I try but it married very well with your "explanation" .and reality does not come from the mind

Please demonstrate the logic in giving properties to a myth?

What? No but there can be nothing.
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
You dont need to read it, far to heavy, its just a demonstration of how there can be nothing.

At last. Well done

Reality comes from Gods mind. And i was using our mind as an analogy.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You didnt understand the problem with the train analogy?

I didn't really see the point of your train analogy, TBH.

But, it depends on the nature of this static thing is.

If the nature of it is unconcious, unintelligent energy, then thats correct, it cannot do dynamic things. But if its conciouse intelligence, then it can by intention do something dynamic. But, itself is static.

How could something that's undergoing constant change - e.g. a thinking being - be "static?"

And "creation" implies a dynamic process. A static thing can't possibly create. It would be a contradiction in terms.

 

[Jollybear]

I didn't really see the point of your train analogy, TBH.

Ok. Ill explain it this way then. If the universe is eternal, with no beginning, then all events, causes and effects, each one would take forever to happen, since the universe is forever going back in time. So, if all events take forever to happen, would they ever happen? Logically, no, they wouldnt. You see?

How could something that's undergoing constant change - e.g. a thinking being - be "static?"

Well the beings conciousness and intelligence isnt changing, its perfect conciousness and perfect intelligence. So, if its perfect, then it dont need changing.

What this being creates by intention, that creation has change to it.

And "creation" implies a dynamic process. A static thing can't possibly create. It would be a contradiction in terms.

A unconcious, unintelligent force cannot create, but a concious, intelligent force could.

The beings conciousness is static, meaning perfect conciousness. His intelligence is perfect too. So, also static. But, to create time, that first dynamic point is done by intention.

 

[ratiocinator]

Do you believe theres a God?

No. Did you finally get the block universe?

 

[ratiocinator]

If the universe is eternal, with no beginning, then all events, causes and effects, each one would take forever to happen...

Which, by a strange coincidence, is exactly the amount of time that would have already passed...

More seriously - this simply doesn't make sense. There is no logical problem with an infinite past, any more than there is with infinite spacial extent - which may actually be the case; it's an open question.

Well the beings conciousness and intelligence isnt changing, its perfect conciousness and perfect intelligence. So, if its perfect, then it dont need changing.

If it doesn't change, then it can't think or make a choice to create anything.

A unconcious, unintelligent force cannot create, but a concious, intelligent force could.

You need to show your working here. How do you justify this assertion? What about evolution, for example? Where would any "unintelligent force" have come from? Why would it exist?

 

[ChristineM]

Reality comes from Gods mind. And i was using our mind as an analogy.

 

[Jollybear]

Which, by a strange coincidence, is exactly the amount of time that would have already passed...

More seriously - this simply doesn't make sense. There is no logical problem with an infinite past, any more than there is with infinite spacial extent - which may actually be the case; it's an open question.

I dont understand how this is not a problem? If something took forever to happen, would it ever happen? No, how could it?

If it doesn't change, then it can't think or make a choice to create anything.

Then perhaps the the creation was eternally already in his mind as a seed, then it took fruit when time was made by intention?

You need to show your working here. How do you justify this assertion? What about evolution, for example? Where would any "unintelligent force" have come from? Why would it exist?

There has to be a first cause, otherwise you get the infinite regress problem. There has to be a prime mover or prime reality.

 

[ratiocinator]

I dont understand how this is not a problem? If something took forever to happen, would it ever happen? No, how could it?

If the past is infinite, it's already happened. You're not making a logical argument here, there is no actual contradiction. And, as I said before, relativity tells us that all of space-time just exists and is static anyway.

Then perhaps the the creation was eternally already in his mind as a seed, then it took fruit when time was made by intention?

Forming an intention is a change, which means this god cannot be static.

There has to be a first cause, otherwise you get the infinite regress problem. There has to be a prime mover or prime reality.

Seriously? Why only one uncaused cause? Why associate it/them with god, gods, or any kind of intelligence? What's wrong with an infinite past (see above)?

 

[Jollybear]

If the past is infinite, it's already happened. You're not making a logical argument here, there is no actual contradiction.

Say what? If the past is infinite, its already happened? Huh?

How could it have happened if a first thing cant happen? How could it happen if it take forever to happen?

And, as I said before, relativity tells us that all of space-time just exists and is static anyway.

1, why do you believe relativity?
2, define space and time for me.

Forming an intention is a change, which means this god cannot be static.

Then hes static UNTIL hes not static, lol. Hows dat one for ya?

Ya like that one?

Seriously? Why only one uncaused cause? Why associate it/them with god, gods, or any kind of intelligence? What's wrong with an infinite past (see above)?

Infinite past would take forever for all events to happen. So, we need a first cause.

And the God hypotheses makes the most sense.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yes, a little better but not qualified to be termed as a saint.

 

[ratiocinator]

How could it have happened if a first thing cant happen? How could it happen if it take forever to happen?

There wouldn't be a first thing. Infinity is conceptually difficult but it doesn't involve a contradiction. We can formalise it mathematically (in fact we can deal with different sizes of infinity: the continuum is bigger than the number of integers).

1, why do you believe relativity?

Evidence; it makes accurate predictions. It's wrong to say I 'believe' it anyway - it's the most accurate model of space-time and gravity we have.

2, define space and time for me.

That can only be properly done mathematically by defining its properties: spacetime

Infinite past would take forever for all events to happen.

Which, as I said, in that case, is the amount of time that has already passed.

So, we need a first cause.

Why only one uncaused cause?

And the God hypotheses makes the most sense.

Why?

Which god(s) and why it/them?

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

I believe I am, because I have peace in my heart.

 

[lukethethird]

Are you a better person now due to your faith?
I am forgiven when I mess up, so yes, I am a much better person now.

 

[Neutral Name]

This was a question asked on another thread.....

"Are you a better person now due to your faith? Or are you what your faith prescribes you to be and behave as. What is there to achieve when our flesh and soul are of God the moment we are conceived, but that a faith tells us we are less than from the time we're born by creators will.
Because we accept that, we believe we are that. And then we seek to correct that by holding faith in the precepts that tell us how to change that in order to please the creator we're told first made us that way.
To need him. And to fear the adversary he let to live and be lord of this world."

So.....are you what your faith dictates?

Are we created according to the Creator's will to live this life? If so, why?

Did God set us up to fail? Did he mean for satan to control the world and create pain and suffering for all of us? If so, why?

Thoughts....?

My faith dictates only that I believe that there is a God and that God is love because I don't believe in religions which have man's inputs.