Are you Abrahamic?

[Zardoz]

NOTE: This is in a DIR

Well, let's try this again, as my Noachide poll was basically ignored. Same principle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

 

[wizanda]

Really not sure on the question, as the poll asks about covenants; to me Yeshua ended the Abrahamic covenant with the fulfillment of Zechariah 11.

So though i accept the lineage of Abraham; i don't accept some of the ancient practises people still follow.

 

[Flankerl]

No.

 

[Pastek]

I voted yes because God asked us to follow the religion of Abraham so the term "Abrahamic" is not incorrect for me.. But i define myself as a muslim .


16.123 Then We revealed to you, [O Muhammad], to follow the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth; and he was not of those who associate with Allah .


4.125 And who is better in religion than one who submits himself to Allah while being a doer of good and follows the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth? And Allah took Abraham as an intimate friend.


22.78 And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham.

 

[Tumah]

I'm not sure what being an Abrahamic means.

 

[arthra]

Baha'is accept Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad as Manifestations of God and refer to the Bible and the Qur'an so yes I suppose we would be considered "Abrahamic".

"Among the great prophets was His Holiness Abraham who being an iconoclast and a herald of the oneness of God, was banished from His native land. He founded a family upon which the blessing of God descended; and it was owing to this religious basis and ordination that the Abrahamic house progressed and advanced. Through the divine benediction, noteworthy and luminous prophets issued from the lineage of His Holiness. There appeared Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David and Solomon. The Holy Land was conquered by the power of the Covenant of God with Abraham, and the glory of the Solomonic wisdom and sovereignty dawned. All this was due to the religion of God which this blessed lineage established and upheld. It is evident that throughout the history of Abraham and His posterity this was the source of their honor, advancement and civilization. Even today the descendants of His household and lineage are found throughout the world."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - p. 270

 

[Zardoz]

I'm not sure what being an Abrahamic means.

Among other things, it is accepting the very first priestly covenant as eternal and binding:

"...in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Similar to: "...and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."

 

[ChristineES]

I was never a practicing Jew, but I do have Jewish ancestry on my mother's side, so I am "Abrahamic".

 

[Zardoz]

I was never a practicing Jew, but I do have Jewish ancestry on my mother's side, so I am "Abrahamic".

You do not need to be Jewish to be Abrahamic, Muslims and Christians also are Abrahamic.
All three are descendants of Abraham. IMHO.
It only matters if one claims the blessing and commission for oneself.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Part of our daily 5 times physical prayer is praising Father Abraham. Therefore, Muslims are Abrahamics by default.

 

[Pastek]

The Kaaba was also built by Abraham and Ismael.

The rituals of the pilgrimage include :
*Praying at "Abraham's station" : "Makam Ibrahim" (after the Tawaf) meaning where Abraham standed when he built the Kaaba
Near the Kaaba in gold here : http://www.asfiyahi.org/photo/art/default/2374695-3324928.jpg?v=1289630704
*The "jamarat" (lapidation of Satan as Abraham did)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_the_Devil
*Eid al Adha at the end of the Hajj, which symbolize the submission of Abraham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha

Abraham also made a "call" to people to do Hajj and was the first doing the rituals of the Hajj that people do each year (explained in surah 2 and 22) :


22.27 And proclaim to the people the Hajj [pilgrimage]; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass -


"When Ibrahim (pbuh) completed the structure of the Ka'bah, Allah commanded him to call the people to Hajj. Ibrahim pleaded, "O Allah! How shall my voice reach all of those people?" Allah told him that his duty was only to give the call and it was up to Allah to make it reach the people.

Ibrahim then climbed Mount Arafat and called out in his loudest voice, "O People! Verily Allah has prescribed upon you Hajj, so perform Hajj."

http://www.performhajj.com/the_call_of_ibrahim.php

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No.

 

[savagewind]

Yes. I believe in the supernatural experiences of Abraham and the Hebrew prophets. I believe in God's blessing upon people of faith (the faith of Abraham). I can see it. I can also see that the fruits of God's spirit are lacking upon people who aren't of the faith.

I think I understand the first choice but what does the second choice mean? I might vote if I hear what the second choice means.

 

[Tumah]

Among other things, it is accepting the very first priestly covenant as eternal and binding:

"...in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Similar to: "...and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."

I don't see the similarity between those two verses, so I guess not.

As far as I can tell, the term "Abrahamic" is just a way of creating an umbrella term that fits Islam into it. Otherwise we probably would be calling it "Mosaic religions".

 

[savagewind]

A covenant is "a contract agreement between two or more parties" so I can't see anyone ever calling a covenant "my covenant". That is what I'd like to hear explained.
Maybe you mean something like this: The covenant that I now put my faith in. Is that it?
I believe there is only one covenant between God and mankind and it never ceases. Mankind might cease but the covenant shall always remain imho. There are more than two parties to the convent as I understand it.

 

[Zardoz]

I don't see the similarity between those two verses, so I guess not.

Well, maybe not similar but related. The one follows the other.
The Birkat Kohanim might not exist if Abraham did not receive the destiny to bless the nations.

As far as I can tell, the term "Abrahamic" is just a way of creating an umbrella term that fits Islam into it. Otherwise we probably would be calling it "Mosaic religions".

And what about the Righteous Noachide and the Ger Toshav?

Yes, finally there is a Ger Toshav recognized:

http://noahideworldcenter.org/wp_en/chief-rabbinate-recognizes-a-ger-toshav/

 

[Zardoz]

...
I think I understand the first choice but what does the second choice mean? I might vote if I hear what the second choice means.

An example of the second choice is the Xian 'Replacement Theology' which holds that all previous covenants are null & void, replaced by the 'new covenant'.

 

[savagewind]

An example of the second choice is the Xian 'Replacement Theology' which holds that all previous covenants are null & void, replaced by the 'new covenant'.

According to you, what is the new covenant?
I think that at Abraham's covenant with God, Abraham became a father to me. Fatherhood cannot be voided imo.

 

[Tumah]

Well, maybe not similar but related. The one follows the other.
The Birkat Kohanim might not exist if Abraham did not receive the destiny to bless the nations.

That's an unreasonable jump in logic.
And Abraham didn't receive the destiny to bless the nations. It says that through Abraham nations would be blessed.

And what about the Righteous Noachide and the Ger Toshav?

Yes, finally there is a Ger Toshav recognized:

http://noahideworldcenter.org/wp_en/chief-rabbinate-recognizes-a-ger-toshav/

I'm not sure what your question is here. What do Noahides have to do with an Abrahamic religion/covenant?

That video is also somewhat suspect since I can't find it on any news site and I'm pretty sure as long as we don't have the Jubilee we don't accept Gerei Toshav. But I'll look into it.

 

[Zardoz]

According to you, what is the new covenant?

According to me there isn't one. But here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism

I think that at Abraham's covenant with God, Abraham became a father to me. Fatherhood cannot be voided imo.

Fatherhood isn't the issue, birthright is. Just ask Esau.