Are you for trump?

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm sorry your search engine won't perform the work mine does. I even have the PDF it came from, which says:

"What is the relationship between Ordo Templi Orientis and Freemasonry?
O.T.O. was originally associated with certain European rites of Freemasonry, but long ago separated itself from Masonry altogether. For further information, please see our history and initiation pages on the O.T.O. U.S. Grand Lodge website. O.T.O. membership is not incompatible with membership in most Masonic organizations."

So they have nothing to do with each other, like I said. Certainly says nothing about Masonry using that phrase.

 

[OtherSheep]

Racism to me implies that one race wishes harm to another race. Since Black Lives Matter is about getting the police to stop murdering African Americans, the Black Lives Matter movement is not racist.

"BLM in its Own Words
"We actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia [Garza] in particular, we're trained organizers. We are trained Marxists."
Black Lives Matter: "We Are Trained Marxists" - Part I

It goes downhill from there.

Of the three women founders, two are Marxists... not just Marxists, but trained Marxists... Community Organizers, Weather Underground.

From the link:
"If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It's a matter of interpretation.... I just want black liberation and black sovereignty, by any means necessary."

It's no longer a matter of interpretation when you start setting police stations and other government buildings on fire. Anarchy is the tool Communism uses to wake the Africans... their own books tell you that. It doesn't use the soft-sell of Green Communism, or follow the Pink Communism of the BLM founder's persuasion.

When an self-described Organizer tells you all about her persuasion, Christians see Sodom and Gomorrah looming large. In Revelation, Sodom and Egypt are the spirit of Babylon. Babylon is made war against and stripped of her goods by those who will "burn her with fire". This has led some people to consider Babylon as America, but it's not, because Jesus wasn't crucified in America. Numbers are important to these people... numbers like May Day, the October/November Revolution and 9/11... which happens tomorrow.

 

[OtherSheep]

So they have nothing to do with each other, like I said. Certainly says nothing about Masonry using that phrase.

"Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
Liber AL | Ordo Templi Orientis | United Kingdom Grand Lodge

the Hermit ... ... ... . Entered Apprentice
the Lover ... ... ... ... Fellow Craft
the man of Earth ... Master Mason

Masonic Grades, Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Master Mason.
Masonic monitor of the degrees of entered apprentice, fellow craft and master mason: Thornburgh, George.

If you want to think they have nothing to do with each other, that's up to you. But if I were a betting man, I'd say Crowley's Satan is the same Satan worshiped by masons, according to Albert Pike.
Oh, sure, the lower levels may not know what the ones at the top of that pyramid are doing... but compartmentalization only works if the sections are leak-free.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
Liber AL | Ordo Templi Orientis | United Kingdom Grand Lodge

the Hermit ... ... ... . Entered Apprentice
the Lover ... ... ... ... Fellow Craft
the man of Earth ... Master Mason

Masonic Grades, Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Master Mason.
Masonic monitor of the degrees of entered apprentice, fellow craft and master mason: Thornburgh, George.

If you want to think they have nothing to do with each other, that's up to you. But if I were a betting person, I'd say Crowley's Satan is the same Satan worshiped by masons, according to Albert Pike. Oh, sure, the lower levels may not know what the ones at the top of that pyramid are doing... but compartmentalization only works if the sections are leak-free.

Okay, so you have no proof for anything you're saying.

 

[OtherSheep]

Okay, so you have no proof for anything you're saying.

When I find the Masonic Book that has that quote, I'll type you the whole paragraph. I'm not just sitting here waiting for you to give me my orders for the day. It will come to me. And when it does, I won't expect an apology from you. After all, you haven't wanted to do the math in my post above this one.

 

[Heyo]

America has been the leader of the free world for decades but now, under Trumps watch, we are withdrawing from the world and alienating long time allies. I don't pin it all on Trump though, since the Gulf War the world has been losing faith and trust in America as the leader of the free world. Actually, at this point, proclaiming America as the leader of the free world sounds more like the punch line to a joke. Now Trump is trash talking the WHO, yea, the effect will be that the world will think America only cares about itself, which it does. Hard to lead others when they all think you are selfish and untrustworthy.

I think most of the world would be very glad when the US only cared about itself.

 

[Heyo]

I can understand your side but I think its better to maintain some influence over things. America tried isolationism before and it led to World War Two.

The US has been interventionist long before WWII.
Foreign interventions by the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Heyo]

Kinda like all Christians are the same to non-Christians.

Nah. I'm a non-Christian and for me Christians are so different that it is a label without meaning.

 

[OtherSheep]

Nah. I'm a non-Christian and for me Christians are so different that it is a label without meaning.

Thank you! That's what I've always said... and why I avoid that title.

(Jesus quotes the Prophet who says we all will be taught by God. Not taught what Pharisee Paul said. Not taught what any other commentator said, either. Paul is the "christian" talmud that replaces the very words of God in most if not all churches.)

 

[JustWondering]

"BLM in its Own Words
"We actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia [Garza] in particular, we're trained organizers. We are trained Marxists."
Black Lives Matter: "We Are Trained Marxists" - Part I

It goes downhill from there.

Of the three women founders, two are Marxists... not just Marxists, but trained Marxists... Community Organizers, Weather Underground.

From the link:
"If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It's a matter of interpretation.... I just want black liberation and black sovereignty, by any means necessary."

It's no longer a matter of interpretation when you start setting police stations and other government buildings on fire. Anarchy is the tool Communism uses to wake the Africans... their own books tell you that. It doesn't use the soft-sell of Green Communism, or follow the Pink Communism of the BLM founder's persuasion.

When an self-described Organizer tells you all about her persuasion, Christians see Sodom and Gomorrah looming large. In Revelation, Sodom and Egypt are the spirit of Babylon. Babylon is made war against and stripped of her goods by those who will "burn her with fire". This has led some people to consider Babylon as America, but it's not, because Jesus wasn't crucified in America. Numbers are important to these people... numbers like May Day, the October/November Revolution and 9/11... which happens tomorrow.

Seems like you may have missed it. Could you answer the questions I posed to you in post 115 on page 6 of this thread? Thanks.

 

[OtherSheep]

First, all of this (BLM, riots, etc...) started because black men and boys keep getting MURDERED by cops

Second, if the law and its enforcers (cops) viewed you, your entire family, friends, and entire community as fair game

Third, lawless cops murdered your son.

You seem to assume that the Police went out and nabbed innocents having a picnic. They didn't and those weren't.

"Darren Wilson was a white cop and Michael Brown was a black teenager killed in a violent confrontation with Wilson. Therefore, Brown was the victim of a cold-blooded, racially motivated murder, Q.E.D. That is the myth, and it will be served — don’t bother us with the facts."
Progressive Mythography | National Review

"The police are in these communities because that’s where the emergency calls originate, and they spend much of their time trying to stop residents of the same race from harming one another."
The B-side of the Ferguson Story...

Which is what the FBI Homicide stats show:
Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Keep in mind that Blacks are only 13% of America's population, when you look at the FBI report... let that sink in. Is it the absence of father-figures? Single-mothers with no time to teach their children anything? But Marxism at BLM plans to destroy the family from the ground up. Who benefits from that? Certainly not the Blacks.

The damage-control-bots are, even as we speek, sweeping black-on-black-crime down the memory hole. And if TPTB get their way... those residents of the same race?... they won't be stopped by the Police from harming one another ever... ever again.

 

[JustWondering]

You seem to assume that the Police went out and nabbed innocents having a picnic. They didn't and those weren't.

"Darren Wilson was a white cop and Michael Brown was a black teenager killed in a violent confrontation with Wilson. Therefore, Brown was the victim of a cold-blooded, racially motivated murder, Q.E.D. That is the myth, and it will be served — don’t bother us with the facts."
Progressive Mythography | National Review

"The police are in these communities because that’s where the emergency calls originate, and they spend much of their time trying to stop residents of the same race from harming one another."
The B-side of the Ferguson Story...

Which is what the FBI Homicide stats show:
Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Keep in mind that Blacks are only 13% of America's population, when you look at the FBI report... let that sink in. Is it the absence of father-figures? Single-mothers with no time to teach their children anything? But Marxism at BLM plans to destroy the family from the ground up. Who benefits from that? Certainly not the Blacks.

The damage-control-bots are, even as we speek, sweeping black-on-black-crime down the memory hole. And if TPTB get their way... those residents of the same race?... they won't be stopped by the Police from harming one another ever... ever again.

How is kneeling on someone's neck who is handcuffed, unarmed and surrounded by multiple cops until he's dead not murder? How is shooting an unarmed man in the back multiple times not murder?

The government could easily stop the riots by prosecuting bad cops who have obviously committed murder and make changes to how policing is done. BLM would have achieved its goal, no need for people to protest or riot anymore. However, our "democratic" government shows zero interest in listening to what its citizens want. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Wasn't there a certain country that came into existence because it's rulers didn't listen to and represent their citizens. Which country was that again?

You keep going on about communism this and communism that when we already live in a police state where cops can murder citizens with impunity. The police are supposed to serve and PROTECT, not gun people down in the street. Do you not understand that simple concept? In Portland there were unidentified masked and armed government agents pulling people off the street without observing their rights. You really want to live under a government that views its citizens as expendable? That's the government we're living under right now. Its obvious you've fully bought into the authoritarian narrative. You seem like you'd be happy to see protestors against the government locked away or gunned down. Seems like you've forgotten that our government is supposed to be by the people, for the people. If you lived during the American revolution you'd view those that partook in the tea party as dangerous criminals that should be executed while bowing your head to the crown.

 

[JustWondering]

Pearl Harbor and the ‘Back Door to War’ Theory | Description & Facts
"Among the first historians to argue in favour of the back-door-to-war theory were Charles Beard, author of American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940 (1946) and President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War, 1941 (1948), and Charles C. Tansill, author of Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy, 1933-1941 (1952)."

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Is it even marginally possible that Stalin and Roosevelt and Churchill weren't buddies? They planned the cut-up of Europe before the war was over, they acted in unison to commit war crimes, they blamed everyone for everything they ever dreamed up... and came out smelling like a rose. No war crimes tribunal for the people who set firestorms that would burn children to the asphalt of the streets. No trial for bombing mostly-civilian-Christian cities, either. Who benefitted? Who still benefits today? The Germans never got a fair trial because their government had been blown up, and the people who blew it up were their judge and jury and executioners.

The Japanese were fighting against the Communists, not planning on taking over the world. The Germans were fighting the Communists on both sides of them, who had already taken every bit of land worth plowing, and had their land cut virtually in half by that God-forsaken peace of Versailles... which was absolutely planned to make them into what's laughingly called the aggressors... if they didn't want their people to be murdered by the Soviets or starved to death by the people who boycotted them worldwide. Germany was a broken bleeding ruin, and you say they were planning on taking the world. ... What Germans actually DID do was kick the international banksters, pornographers, and freeloaders out of office and out of their land. For that, Germany is slanderously called racist and world conquerers.

So you're pro nazi?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I loathe lesser evil politics too but I don't think we can afford to let Trump get elected. People like Bernie and AOC need to form a third party that actually represents the people instead of the rich and big business. We need to get rid of corruption in our government.

They'd need to reform the first-past-the-post system before they could do something like that - nationwide, at least - otherwise they'd end up in a situation like the 1993 Canadian federal election.*





*right wingers who were dissatisfied with the Conservative Party formed a new party (the Reform Party). Reform drew away so many votes that the Liberal Party went basically unchallenged for a decade, until Reform and the Conservatives realized their error and merged the two parties.

 

[OtherSheep]

How is kneeling on someone's neck who is handcuffed, unarmed and surrounded by multiple cops until he's dead not murder? How is shooting an unarmed man in the back multiple times not murder?

New Documents Reveal Minneapolis Medical Examiner Would Conclude George Floyd Died of a Drug Overdose - Big League Politics
https://americaskeepersinc.com/2020...-who-shot-jacob-blake-says-blake-had-a-knife/

The government could easily stop the riots by prosecuting bad cops who have obviously committed murder and make changes to how policing is done. BLM would have achieved its goal, no need for people to protest or riot anymore.

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirements by supporting each other as extended families… We foster a queer affirming network." "We are trained marxists."--BLM.

A Short History of Black Lives Matter
"Black Live Matters is a Marxist communist organization. This movement, BLM, has been lent legitimacy, when it is, in effect and upon examination, proving to have virtually zero legitimacy, relative to the Western World. This interview, of this radical Marxist communist woman who started Black Lives matter, is a damning indictment of her and the BLM movement, that punctuates the hatefulness and totally false narratives and political-mythical structures of these Marxists. It's time for the cover to be pulled back, for the radical, destructive philosophy of BLM to be exposed, and for their hate-filled philosophies and methodologies to be driven back into the dustbin of history from with they came.
... go to 7:03 in the interview"
Liveleak.com - A Short History of Black Lives Matter

Seems like you've forgotten that our government is supposed to be by the people, for the people.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
--Preamble to the Constitution

As pointed out to you in the above, BLM has nothing to do with establishing the Constitution... they themselves will tell you, if you are willing to listen, that tearing down America to rebuild it in the Marxist image, is their entire purpose. Tearing down statues is also a Communist thing, BTW.

You defend one man who was so high on drugs that he would have died of an overdose no matter what else may or may not have happened. And if you cared enough to read a bit more, watch a few more videos of that event, you'd have even less reason to be supporting the riots that burned Minnesota... including the business that used to give Floyd a job... that was owned by a Black man whose life did not matter at all to the BLM rioters.

Neither did the Black lives matter that lived in an apartment building in Kenosha which BLM torched. This man you've defended was stopped because there was a warrant out for his arrest. He was tazed at least twice, got up with what looks like a knife in his left hand, and tried to steal his ex's van to make a getaway. He was a sex offender and all-around gun-toting bully... and was probably as high as Floyd, if he didn't really notice being tazed.

If you want to pick some Black guy who doesn't have a list of priors, who has been gunned down in the street just for being Black... go for it. But the fact that you've chosen these two hardened criminals to defend doesn't do your credibility much good... which is already strained to the breaking point because you haven't even read what BLM says of itself on their own website. And since Harris/Biden bought those Marxist rioters out of jail, what does that say about them?

 

[OtherSheep]

So you're pro nazi?

What is really meant by the epithet nazi?
Genetically speaking, it's tossed by anti-Germanics in favor of Black, Asian, or Jewish Supremacy.

In theory, it was a white nation wanting to be governed by white people who had the same thought-processes and ancient ideologies. It was put up in place of the anti-German take-over of their schools, media, government, banks, and shops... all of their moral structure.

National Socialism in general is what America was leaning towards when FDR created his backdoor to war. In fact, the New Deal is pretty much National Socialism, when coupled with Social Security... especially with food stamps, unemployment money, and national heath care... in the same way that Germany was starved into the arms of Eastern Communism.
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The rider on the black horse is in charge of who gets to eat and why. It followed the red horse of war. The pale green horse will be plague. All of these horses are visible today. The white horse is evangelism of the last who will be saved.

 

[JustWondering]

New Documents Reveal Minneapolis Medical Examiner Would Conclude George Floyd Died of a Drug Overdose - Big League Politics
https://americaskeepersinc.com/2020...-who-shot-jacob-blake-says-blake-had-a-knife/


"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirements by supporting each other as extended families… We foster a queer affirming network." "We are trained marxists."--BLM.

A Short History of Black Lives Matter
"Black Live Matters is a Marxist communist organization. This movement, BLM, has been lent legitimacy, when it is, in effect and upon examination, proving to have virtually zero legitimacy, relative to the Western World. This interview, of this radical Marxist communist woman who started Black Lives matter, is a damning indictment of her and the BLM movement, that punctuates the hatefulness and totally false narratives and political-mythical structures of these Marxists. It's time for the cover to be pulled back, for the radical, destructive philosophy of BLM to be exposed, and for their hate-filled philosophies and methodologies to be driven back into the dustbin of history from with they came.
... go to 7:03 in the interview"
Liveleak.com - A Short History of Black Lives Matter



"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
--Preamble to the Constitution

As pointed out to you in the above, BLM has nothing to do with establishing the Constitution... they themselves will tell you, if you are willing to listen, that tearing down America to rebuild it in the Marxist image, is their entire purpose. Tearing down statues is also a Communist thing, BTW.

You defend one man who was so high on drugs that he would have died of an overdose no matter what else may or may not have happened. And if you cared enough to read a bit more, watch a few more videos of that event, you'd have even less reason to be supporting the riots that burned Minnesota... including the business that used to give Floyd a job... that was owned by a Black man whose life did not matter at all to the BLM rioters.

Neither did the Black lives matter that lived in an apartment building in Kenosha which BLM torched. This man you've defended was stopped because there was a warrant out for his arrest. He was tazed at least twice, got up with what looks like a knife in his left hand, and tried to steal his ex's van to make a getaway. He was a sex offender and all-around gun-toting bully... and was probably as high as Floyd, if he didn't really notice being tazed.

If you want to pick some Black guy who doesn't have a list of priors, who has been gunned down in the street just for being Black... go for it. But the fact that you've chosen these two hardened criminals to defend doesn't do your credibility much good... which is already strained to the breaking point because you haven't even read what BLM says of itself on their own website. And since Harris/Biden bought those Marxist rioters out of jail, what does that say about them?

I have looked at their website and I know a little about the people who started it. The movement is about stopping racism and police brutality against black people. You can try to twist the movement into something its not all you want but its a social movement, not some secret scary political group trying to overthrow the government. You sound ridiculous spouting that stuff. You obviously view black people standing up for themselves against a state that abuses and murders them as scary and thus eagerly buy into any narrative that demonizes them. If you want to ignore the real suffering of your fellow citizens and even blame victims of murder out of your fear of change...well, nothing I can do about that. Your callous attitude towards Floyd's murder at the hands of police while he was in custody truly shows your lack of empathy towards your fellow man and a lack of understanding/embracing Jesus Christs teachings. You've engaged in apologetics for Nazi Germany, which makes me suspect you are a white supremacist. You have also openly shown that you welcome a fascist government that brutalizes and murders its own citizens. Overall your opinions and views don't reflect the American and Christian values I was taught a raised with. I can see why you are a Trump supporter. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice life.

 

[OtherSheep]

I have looked at their website and I know a little about the people who started it. The movement is about stopping racism and police brutality against black people.

"But it’s not only Cullors’ Marxist bona fides that’s troubling. In a 2018 Democracy Now! interview, Cullors boasted about receiving training from Eric Mann, former member of the Weather Underground charged with attempted murder of police officers in Boston back in 1969. The domestic terror group Weather Underground is responsible for multiple terrorist bombings at the U.S. Capitol, the State Department, and the Pentagon during the 1960s and ’70s."
Black Lives Matter In Public Schools Is Turning Kids Into Little Marxists

your lack of empathy towards your fellow man and a lack of understanding/embracing Jesus Christs teachings.

"We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks ... undocumented folks ..."
https://blacklivesmatter.com/

Jesus defines marriage as it was in the beginning, one man, one woman.
Undocumented means theft... Thou shalt not steal.

You've engaged in apologetics for Nazi Germany, which makes me suspect you are a white supremacist. You have also openly shown that you welcome a fascist government that brutalizes and murders its own citizens.

"whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes."
https://blacklivesmatter.com/

To eradicate white supremacy and build local power... is creating Marxist Supremacy.
Not Black Supremacy... they are being used... and you are being used if you fall for it.
To intervene between Blacks and Government is Anarchy... once again, hiding behind the Blacks.
Law and Order is what Marxists call Fascism.

The Marxists control both sides of the debate. And they use the races to kill off their opposition. In this case, they are fomenting race war between blacks and whites. In the middle east, they foment war between whites and the Arabs who oppose them. They use the guns of America on all of the people who stand in their way of a One World Oligarchy. And now they will use blacks and the supposed black supporters to kill the whites in America for whom they have no further use.

I have nothing against any race that keeps the law and minds its own business by policing its own. What I do have a problem with is useful idiots who don't bother learning who's who and what's what.
Your 'Ministry of Truth' has been running things since the WWs in Europe, telling y'all what to think about Germans. Because Germany stood in the way of Communist Europe en masse. Now white Americans (and all Americans who are awake) stand in the way of a thoroughly Communist America... and your Ministry of Truth is telling you--the unawake masses... 'whites are bad, sick'em' ... And you're falling for it. ... Because it's easier to pretend to yourself that you were never wrong, than it is to admit that you've been taken.

This is a battle for the hearts and minds of America. Only one side will win. The other side will belong to your Ministry of Truth right to the bloody end.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What is really meant by the epithet nazi?
Genetically speaking, it's tossed by anti-Germanics in favor of Black, Asian, or Jewish Supremacy.

In theory, it was a white nation wanting to be governed by white people who had the same thought-processes and ancient ideologies. It was put up in place of the anti-German take-over of their schools, media, government, banks, and shops... all of their moral structure.

National Socialism in general is what America was leaning towards when FDR created his backdoor to war. In fact, the New Deal is pretty much National Socialism, when coupled with Social Security... especially with food stamps, unemployment money, and national heath care... in the same way that Germany was starved into the arms of Eastern Communism.
____________
The rider on the black horse is in charge of who gets to eat and why. It followed the red horse of war. The pale green horse will be plague. All of these horses are visible today. The white horse is evangelism of the last who will be saved.

That was a very long-winded way of saying "yes."

 

[Vinayaka]

I'm not voting.