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Are you for trump?

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Same reasons I have for not voting for Hillary or Joe.

I loathe lesser evil politics too but I don't think we can afford to let Trump get elected. People like Bernie and AOC need to form a third party that actually represents the people instead of the rich and big business. We need to get rid of corruption in our government.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The man can't help it if he has a sense of humor, a sense of the ridiculous, and a big helping of sarcasm.

What the president's job is the constitution describes. Nowhere does it say that a guy has to keep wearing the hangar in his jacket, four years straight.

I really wouldn't make a good president. I'd troll the job for all it's worth.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I loathe lesser evil politics too but I don't think we can afford to let Trump get elected. People like Bernie and AOC need to form a third party that actually represents the people instead of the rich and big business. We need to get rid of corruption in our government.
The choice of the lesser of 2 evils is at least still a
choice allowing voting against the greater of 2 evils.
 
Does it seem odd to you that Antifa is heard complaining that police weren't doing anything to help them, in the middle of the riots? Aren't they the ones who asked for defunding the police? The rioters, when they were helped, were helped by the police. Who will do that when the police are gone? ... Nobody. There's a reason why the lawless want the law gone. It ain't pretty. "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law," says a Mason. "let us cast their laws away" ... "brute beasts fit only to be hunted down and killed," says the Bible.

People who don't do crimes are not the ones being rioted in support of. Your people, my people, any people at all, if they don't do crimes don't need to worry. But when the rioters are running the asylum, everyone will need to worry... because there will be no law. The prisons are opened, in the history of this sort of activity.

I never said there shouldn't be police or laws, don't put words in my mouth. Second, If you were to ask, I bet most of the protesters would say they don't want lawlessness, they want the law (and cops) to treat them the same as everyone else. The fact that you are eager to insult people protesting and rioting (calling them beasts) and insinuating they need to be put in their place while ignoring WHY they are protesting and rioting speaks volumes about your values. I could be wrong, you do have Jesus written next to religion. Surely you believe African Americans are not "brute beasts fit only to be hunted down and killed"?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It's actually Crowley, and masons use it... I haven't read Crowley, but I do know a bit about the masons and templars. It's a call for anarchy... no matter who gets the "credit."
Thelema is Crowley's religion and Masons do not use that as far as I know, unless you have evidence to the contrary.
 
Ok, but you have to rely on some source of information, make a judgement of that it is reliable. Myself, I haven't found a source that I've deemed reliable enough to make a call on.

We don't need anyone to tell us what we should think. Even propaganda needs to be built around some kernel of truth. Trump says he's a stable genius yet was tested recently for dementia and does everything in his power to keep his school grades from becoming public. Not hard to put two and two together to determine Trumps not a stable genius.
 
The man can't help it if he has a sense of humor, a sense of the ridiculous, and a big helping of sarcasm.

What the president's job is the constitution describes. Nowhere does it say that a guy has to keep wearing the hangar in his jacket, four years straight.

Please provide a sample of Trump being entertaining that does not embarrass America in front of the rest of the world and isn't sexist and/or racist in any way.

Again, how you want to focus on one facet of an issue while ignoring the problems speaks volumes about your values.
 
I don't think the US ought to be a world leader. So I understand your point but for me, it is not an important issue.

I can understand your side but I think its better to maintain some influence over things. America tried isolationism before and it led to World War Two.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
I never said there shouldn't be police or laws, don't put words in my mouth. Second, If you were to ask, I bet most of the protesters would say they don't want lawlessness, they want the law (and cops) to treat them the same as everyone else. The fact that you are eager to insult people protesting and rioting (calling them beasts) and insinuating they need to be put in their place while ignoring WHY they are protesting and rioting speaks volumes about your values. I could be wrong, you do have Jesus written next to religion. Surely you believe African Americans are not "brute beasts fit only to be hunted down and killed"?

I never said all rioters were brute beasts, I said those who want to defund the police, and thereby the law, are part of the beast... don't put words in my mouth. If I were to ask, the question I'd ask is why BLM but nobody else's does... if one race matters isn't that racism?... and questions of that sort. Those last-level-of-the-pyramid people likely don't really know the politics of the BLM founders... which would make me ask them why not. Most of the BLM protestors don't even seem to be black... so treating them the same as everyone else isn't a question most of them can answer. The supposed supporters are throwing molotov coctails and destroying apartments with BLtM living in them.

I'm not insinuating that the rioters need to be put in their place, I'm saying it straight up. The definition of riot isn't 'a good day was had by all'... it has violence in it's definition. And it should have, because that's what rioters do. And they're also thieves. And assaulters. And some are arsons and sneak-up assassins. You are known by the company you keep.

People who don't vote for Fire Pretty, will vote for Fire Bring Water. And Fire Run Away will either be delusional enough to think that the Burners won't light-up their neighborhoods, or hope that hiding their heads and most of their bodies in the sand will save their lives, if not their derrieres. History shows that the Revolutionaries won't stop... not at your gated community or your ghetto... but pan out into your suburbs (which Biden wants gone) and torch your barns, your cattle, and your wee bairn. The Red Army nailed men on barn doors, in the shape of a cross. "If they hated Me they will hate you." I can almost promise you that this is coming to America. Learn what happened to Russia and the Slavs, and to Germany. Take a page from that book with you, when you go to vote.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Please provide a sample of Trump being entertaining that does not embarrass America in front of the rest of the world and isn't sexist and/or racist in any way.

Again, how you want to focus on one facet of an issue while ignoring the problems speaks volumes about your values.

Is Black Lives Matter racist? in your opinion.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
America tried isolationism before and it led to World War Two.

Baloney. Separatism is what America was promised by that president who brought us his Backdoor To War, via the sneaky underhanded pull-back of materials needed for the war against communism that was happening in the Far East. THIS is what made Japan mad at duplicitous America. There are far too many books with scans of telegraphs not to know 'who knew what, when' at Pearl Harbor. American sailors were collateral damage when it came to making Americans mad enough to go to war.

WWII was done to get rid of Germany... the only thing standing in the way of an entirely Communist Europe. That Backdoor To War president was a Communist.
 
I never said all rioters were brute beasts, I said those who want to defund the police, and thereby the law, are part of the beast... don't put words in my mouth. If I were to ask, the question I'd ask is why BLM but nobody else's does... if one race matters isn't that racism?... and questions of that sort. Those last-level-of-the-pyramid people likely don't really know the politics of the BLM founders... which would make me ask them why not. Most of the BLM protestors don't even seem to be black... so treating them the same as everyone else isn't a question most of them can answer. The supposed supporters are throwing molotov coctails and destroying apartments with BLtM living in them.

I'm not insinuating that the rioters need to be put in their place, I'm saying it straight up. The definition of riot isn't 'a good day was had by all'... it has violence in it's definition. And it should have, because that's what rioters do. And they're also thieves. And assaulters. And some are arsons and sneak-up assassins. You are known by the company you keep.

People who don't vote for Fire Pretty, will vote for Fire Bring Water. And Fire Run Away will either be delusional enough to think that the Burners won't light-up their neighborhoods, or hope that hiding their heads and most of their bodies in the sand will save their lives, if not their derrieres. History shows that the Revolutionaries won't stop... not at your gated community or your ghetto... but pan out into your suburbs (which Biden wants gone) and torch your barns, your cattle, and your wee bairn. The Red Army nailed men on barn doors, in the shape of a cross. "If they hated Me they will hate you." I can almost promise you that this is coming to America. Learn what happened to Russia and the Slavs, and to Germany. Take a page from that book with you, when you go to vote.

Before we continue with this I'd like you to answer some questions. First, all of this (BLM, riots, etc...) started because black men and boys keep getting MURDERED by cops, again and again and again and again and again and again... As evidenced by video footage, again and again and again and again and again and again... You do at least acknowledge this, Yes?

Second, if the law and its enforcers (cops) viewed you, your entire family, friends, and entire community as fair game to harass and murder without the perpetrators ever suffering consequences would you view the law as legitimate and/or worthy of being followed? If yes, WHY?! They are literally murdering you!

Third, lawless cops murdered your son. They also murdered other men in your community. They also murdered men like you in other cities around the country. None of them suffered any real consequences, they were given a slap on the wrist and sent out to murder more people. What would you do? Lawful and peaceful pleas for change fall on deaf ears. What do you do? An unarmed friend of yours is shot in the back by cops. What do you do? The powers that be don't care about you and your people's suffering. What do you do?
 
Baloney. Separatism is what America was promised by that president who brought us his Backdoor To War, via the sneaky underhanded pull-back of materials needed for the war against communism that was happening in the Far East. THIS is what made Japan mad at duplicitous America. There are far too many books with scans of telegraphs not to know 'who knew what, when' at Pearl Harbor. American sailors were collateral damage when it came to making Americans mad enough to go to war.

WWII was done to get rid of Germany... the only thing standing in the way of an entirely Communist Europe. That Backdoor To War president was a Communist.

What?! Japan and Germany decided on their own to go on a conquering spree and America would have been next if we continued to sit around pretending what goes on elsewhere in the world has nothing to do with us. Even if the president was a communist, which I highly doubt.

Rulers and governments use and manipulate their citizens, that's nothing new. There was talk during JFK's administration to fake terrorist attacks from Cuba to start a war.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Thelema is Crowley's religion and Masons do not use that as far as I know, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Copy and Search this:
PDF "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

Templars and Rosicrucians and Masons are all the same to me: I'm non-Secret-Society.
Kinda like all Christians are the same to non-Christians.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Copy and Search this:
PDF "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

Templars and Rosicrucians and Masons are all the same to me: I'm non-Secret-Society.
Kinda like all Christians are the same to non-Christians.
Searching that phrase only brings up results about Thelema and Crowley. Nothing to do with Masonry, like I said.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
What?! Japan and Germany decided on their own to go on a conquering spree and America would have been next if we continued to sit around pretending what goes on elsewhere in the world has nothing to do with us. Even if the president was a communist, which I highly doubt.

Pearl Harbor and the ‘Back Door to War’ Theory | Description & Facts
"Among the first historians to argue in favour of the back-door-to-war theory were Charles Beard, author of American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940 (1946) and President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War, 1941 (1948), and Charles C. Tansill, author of Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy, 1933-1941 (1952)."

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Is it even marginally possible that Stalin and Roosevelt and Churchill weren't buddies? They planned the cut-up of Europe before the war was over, they acted in unison to commit war crimes, they blamed everyone for everything they ever dreamed up... and came out smelling like a rose. No war crimes tribunal for the people who set firestorms that would burn children to the asphalt of the streets. No trial for bombing mostly-civilian-Christian cities, either. Who benefitted? Who still benefits today? The Germans never got a fair trial because their government had been blown up, and the people who blew it up were their judge and jury and executioners.

The Japanese were fighting against the Communists, not planning on taking over the world. The Germans were fighting the Communists on both sides of them, who had already taken every bit of land worth plowing, and had their land cut virtually in half by that God-forsaken peace of Versailles... which was absolutely planned to make them into what's laughingly called the aggressors... if they didn't want their people to be murdered by the Soviets or starved to death by the people who boycotted them worldwide. Germany was a broken bleeding ruin, and you say they were planning on taking the world. ... What Germans actually DID do was kick the international banksters, pornographers, and freeloaders out of office and out of their land. For that, Germany is slanderously called racist and world conquerers.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Searching that phrase only brings up results about Thelema and Crowley. Nothing to do with Masonry, like I said.

I'm sorry your search engine won't perform the work mine does. I even have the PDF it came from, which says:

"What is the relationship between Ordo Templi Orientis and Freemasonry?
O.T.O. was originally associated with certain European rites of Freemasonry, but long ago separated itself from Masonry altogether. For further information, please see our history and initiation pages on the O.T.O. U.S. Grand Lodge website. O.T.O. membership is not incompatible with membership in most Masonic organizations."
 
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