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Are You Hedonistic?

desideraht

Hellspawn
I observed in one of the Setian threads that Satanism was described as Hedonistic, while in contrast Setianism is about development. Rather that debating the truth of this distinction, I would rather we focus on ourselves and how we perceive our goals in the Left-Hand Path.

My goal absolutely is development. On the other hand (perhaps it is the Left Hand), I do wish to take a somewhat Hedonistic approach. I feel that proper hedonism is an aspect of successful development, and perhaps that is what truly makes Me a Satanist. I also feel, however, that over-indulgence is a poison to the Spirit. While the indulgence of Sin often leads to emotional, mental, and physical gratification, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing!

I was particularly interested in reading about Setianism because I connect deeply—on almost a somewhat primal, visceral level—with Kemetic symbols and deities, so much that My first tattoo was the image of the Moon as portrayed under the ruling of Khonsu and Thoth, two Egyptian deities. However, it is true that My beliefs and practices line up far more closely with what I have read of Satanism.

What do you think? Are you Hedonistic? Is Hedonism very largely instrumental in your drive and motivation? If not, what is? What drives you?

In My case, especially here recently, I've been driven by Wrath, and it was through Wrath that I sought out Satanism, for it provides ritualistic means for releasing Hatred. However, it is with Wrath that I have sought out Hedonism. And it is with Hedonism that I wish to mend my Wrath. So it is with pain and anguish. We seek refuge by reforming ourselves—from Tomb to Womb—from Destruction to Rebirth.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
I am hedonistic, in the original Epicurean sense. None of this binging and purging, rock and roll, hippie nonsense. :p
 

desideraht

Hellspawn
I am hedonistic, in the original Epicurean sense. None of this binging and purging, rock and roll, hippie nonsense. :p
Would you mind explaining what that means to you, particularly how it related to an Epicurean philosophy? (I have no idea what Epicurean means, by the way; I'm about to look it up and read things I hardly understand) :jiggy:
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Epicurus believed in pleasure as the highest good, but placed absence of pain itself as the highest pleasure, along with relationships, autonomy, and philosophy. Drinking and other indulgent pleasures led to more hassle than they were worth, and were therefore to be avoided.
 

ScottySatan

Well-Known Member
I have never met a Satanist who wasn't interested in personal development. "Becoming your own god" is a constant theme in Satanism.

I won't disagree with this Setian because The TOS seems to be very heavily focused on personal development (Is that fair to say, Adramelek?), while the various Satanic schools aren't per se.

But I would correct that person by saying that a Satanist can do what she pleases. Any Satanist who goes through life with a Setian type of focus on personal development would find a lot of company.
 

desideraht

Hellspawn
Epicurus believed in pleasure as the highest good, but placed absence of pain itself as the highest pleasure, along with relationships, autonomy, and philosophy. Drinking and other indulgent pleasures led to more hassle than they were worth, and were therefore to be avoided.
Ah, I see. That is rather lovely.

I have never met a Satanist who wasn't interested in personal development. "Becoming your own god" is a constant theme in Satanism.

I won't disagree with this Setian because The TOS seems to be very heavily focused on personal development (Is that fair to say, Adramelek?), while the various Satanic schools aren't per se.

But I would correct that person by saying that a Satanist can do what she pleases. Any Satanist who goes through life with a Setian type of focus on personal development would find a lot of company.
I have run into a few self-proclaimed Satanists online who were so wrapped up in negativity that development did not seem to be on their minds and they seemed to don the symbols of Satan mostly for shock value (many would argue they are not "true" Satanists).

It did simply strike me as odd that the Setian seemed to think Satanism was Hedonistic and Setianism was about development, as though the two philosophies are opposing on that matter. I am sure they do not really think that but that is what their statement seemed to imply. I think the distinction is not truly a matter of Hedonism verses development as much as it is the distinction between Satan and Set.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Depends how we view hedonism, as positive, negative, bad. Of course I'm a fan of physical pleasure, I enjoy sex, intoxication, etc. But over all I am more about the mental and development. If movies, books, philosophy, etc are hedonistic (they DO cause chemical reactions that create pleasure), count me in.

Also, I'd love to see your Egyptian tattoo(s).
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
Being a martial artist, I seek both routes. Through combat I gain pleasure, when pain rises high I fight back harder. So its a double edged sword, I could not feel this sensation I crave (in the ring) without taking the punishment that comes with it.

The adrenaline is like nothing else, holding another man's neck in your arms is so fulfilling, as is breaking them down with one kick at a time. However, the sensation I gain from this is not the only thing I pursue, I fight because it makes me a better martial artist, I fight to apply myself and what I've learned, and I also fight for myself.

So I am, hedonistic and I am not, for I seek the pain that comes with the gain.

:D

Xeper!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
In that I believe that physical pleasure is a good thing and should be experienced, yes. But what is pleasurable is subjective. My main goal is the attainment of Gnosis, and sensory exploration is but one facet of that.
 
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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Pretty much what Gjallarhorn said, in the Epicurean sense, I am Hedonistic, though not in the popular definition of it.
 

desideraht

Hellspawn
Also, I'd love to see your Egyptian tattoo(s).
This picture is a little old (my hair is different now haha) but it's a good shot of it. It's on My right shoulder.

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I am going to get the sun (with the snake draped over it) on the other side. I just don't make a lot of money so I can only get a tattoo every few months. I also have a chestpiece planned with a scarab in the middle of My chest with wings that go up towards my collarbone. But I have a lot of other pieces planned first.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
This picture is a little old (my hair is different now haha) but it's a good shot of it. It's on My right shoulder.

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I am going to get the sun (with the snake draped over it) on the other side. I just don't make a lot of money so I can only get a tattoo every few months. I also have a chestpiece planned with a scarab in the middle of My chest with wings that go up towards my collarbone. But I have a lot of other pieces planned first.

Nice. I have Khepri in full scarab form pushing the sun underneath a heptagram. Kind of a personal symbol, haven't found it elsewhere yet. I'm hoping to get one of Thoth himself but I also don't make too much money.
 

Luke Morningstar

Mourning Stalker
My goal absolutely is development. On the other hand (perhaps it is the Left Hand), I do wish to take a somewhat Hedonistic approach.

You can develop and be hedonistic. It just depends, do you stop worship yourself and start worshiping your experiences?

There's much more to learn why and how you pursue pleasure, and what it gives to you, than the pleasure of the act itself.

It's all about triggering the emotions that end up wrecking things for you, sitting with them, and binding them so that when they arise, you are in complete control of what you do next. Do you throw a fist or laugh or run away? (my vote is on laughing, its my favorite)
 

desideraht

Hellspawn
Nice. I have Khepri in full scarab form pushing the sun underneath a heptagram. Kind of a personal symbol, haven't found it elsewhere yet. I'm hoping to get one of Thoth himself but I also don't make too much money.
Thank you.

For Me, the tattoo of Khepri on My chest has a very specific meaning as well. The scarab will be made of stone and have wings stretched out in flight. Khepri, as I'm sure you know, represents resurrection/rebirth. I want the stone scarab to be cracked, and over My heart. Basically He will represent how I have had My heart broken, but a sense of liberation and rebirth from that pain and misfortune.

I really am partial to Thoth. x)
 
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