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[Snowbear]

For those folks who believe in the 'rapture' doctrine (I'm not one of them), here's a video showing one way they think it will happen... Enjoy

 

[Katzpur]

For those folks who believe in the 'rapture' doctrine (I'm not one of them), here's a video showing one way they think it will happen... Enjoy

Unfortunately, the speakers on my computer are broken, so I'm not able to get much out of videos. I don't believe in "the rapture" either, Snowbear. At least it's not a part of the LDS religious vocabulary. We do believe in the Second Coming of Christ, though, and I know the two things are related. I'm actually kind of foggy as to exactly what the rapture is. Maybe you or someone else could fill me in. For some reason, I'm surprised that you don't believe in it. I kind of thought that this was something most non-Catholic, non-Eastern Orthodox Christians believed in.

 

[Booko]

Unfortunately, the speakers on my computer are broken, so I'm not able to get much out of videos. I don't believe in "the rapture" either, Snowbear. At least it's not a part of the LDS religious vocabulary. We do believe in the Second Coming of Christ, though, and I know the two things are related. I'm actually kind of foggy as to exactly what the rapture is. Maybe you or someone else could fill me in. For some reason, I'm surprised that you don't believe in it. I kind of thought that this was something most non-Catholic, non-Eastern Orthodox Christians believed in.

The idea of the Rapture is not even accepted among most Protestants.

The idea dates back to the late 19th century, and was unknown in Christianity before then.

The term "rapture" was popularized by a British minister, John Darby, and was picked up by other millenialists during that time.

I'm not sure the idea of the Rapture even goes much beyond English-speaking Christendom. Maybe someone else here can comment on this aspect of it?

 

[michel]

I had never heard of it until I joined this forum.

 

[Snowbear]

Unfortunately, the speakers on my computer are broken, so I'm not able to get much out of videos.

The audio was the preacher quoting from Matthew. He was talking about how we don't know when Jesus will be coming back for us. Could be next year, next month, next week or even right n...... then most of the people disappear.

I did kinda wonder why only the preacher's bible fell. Others in the audience were holding them, but they were gone after the disappearance

I don't believe in "the rapture" either, Snowbear. At least it's not a part of the LDS religious vocabulary. We do believe in the Second Coming of Christ, though, and I know the two things are related. I'm actually kind of foggy as to exactly what the rapture is. Maybe you or someone else could fill me in.

Well - looks like Booko covered the history of the concept pretty well.

For some reason, I'm surprised that you don't believe in it.

It's not a biblical doctrine

I kind of thought that this was something most non-Catholic, non-Eastern Orthodox Christians believed in.

I don't think so. There are obviously *some* who do, but as Booka noted, it's not really as widely accepted as you think.

Someone made a comment about the 'Left Behind' series, which I didn't 'get' at the time. After looking it up, it seems that series actually popularized the concept for a lot of folks. But again, I don't believe it's a Biblical doctrine, so I don't buy into it, though I may actually have to read some of the series just to see what it's all about

Someone posted this video on another (horse oriented) board I'm on and I thought it might generate some interesting discussion on an actual religion board... and so far, it has

 

[Booko]

I don't think so. There are obviously *some* who do, but as Booka noted, it's not really as widely accepted as you think.

I grew up in, and still have ties to, the Reformed denomination, and have never heard of it spoken there. Our local Methodists don't seem too big on it either.

Someone made a comment about the 'Left Behind' series, which I didn't 'get' at the time. After looking it up, it seems that series actually popularized the concept for a lot of folks. But again, I don't believe it's a Biblical doctrine, so I don't buy into it, though I may actually have to read some of the series just to see what it's all about

It actually goes back a bit farther than that, to a popular book in the 70s, by Hal Lindsey, called "The Late Great Planet Earth." Before that, I never heard anyone talk about it. Please note that Lindsey is involved in the Left Behind series as well.

Around here, it's pretty much some SoBaps, some Pentecostals, and some of the African-American churchs that believe in the idea of a Rapture.

 

[Ody]

I'm not sure the idea of the Rapture even goes much beyond English-speaking Christendom. Maybe someone else here can comment on this aspect of it?

I'm sure preachers have brought it beyond the English speaking community.

 

[sojourner]

The earliest Christians believed in an imminent parousia. That's why Paul said, "Don't waste time getting married -- go out and spread the gospel." Christians have always hoped for the second coming. The whole "modern" belief of the rapture comes out of Revelation and has reached cultic proportions in some circles. It's based upon a literalistic reading of metaphorical material.

 

[Snowbear]

Thanks sojourner

So what exactly IS the doctrine of the rapture and where in the book of Revelation does it come from?

 

[Dentonz]

The idea of the Rapture is not even accepted among most Protestants.

The idea dates back to the late 19th century, and was unknown in Christianity before then.

The term "rapture" was popularized by a British minister, John Darby, and was picked up by other millenialists during that time.

I'm not sure the idea of the Rapture even goes much beyond English-speaking Christendom. Maybe someone else here can comment on this aspect of it?

1 Thess 4:16,17
" For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..."

I belive Paul wrote this quite a bit earlier than the 19th century. It doesn't matter what you call it, it is still mentioned in the Bible. And just because it might not be called 'rapture' in other languages doesn't make it any less part of Biblical doctrine.

 

[Bishka]

1 Thess 4:16,17
" For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..."

I belive Paul wrote this quite a bit earlier than the 19th century. It doesn't matter what you call it, it is still mentioned in the Bible. And just because it might not be called 'rapture' in other languages doesn't make it any less part of Biblical doctrine.

That's just one interpretation of it, it doesn't mean it's going to be the rapture so believed by so many people.

 

[Dentonz]

That's just one interpretation of it, it doesn't mean it's going to be the rapture so believed by so many people.

Caught up = carried away

rapture = carried away

I've been in protestant/pentecostal circles my whole life and have always heard teaching on the rapture. However, I've never heard it taught anyway than how it is written. One day there will be shout and a trumpet sound then the dead in Christ will rise, then those who are alive will be carried away to be with the Lord in the air. How can this possibly be interpreted any other way. By the way, I didn't give any interpretation, I just quoted the Bible.

 

[Bishka]

By the way, I didn't give any interpretation, I just quoted the Bible.

Which Bible? Which interpretation of which version and what preacher?

 

[dawny0826]

That's just one interpretation of it, it doesn't mean it's going to be the rapture so believed by so many people.

Maybe.

But can you understand why some Christians believe that it is?

I mean...I'd be interested in reading or hearing the interpretations of this verse from people who don't believe in possible rapture.

 

[dawny0826]

Which Bible? Which interpretation of which version and what preacher?

Hi Becky.

He's Pentecostal, as I am Becky.

I don't know what version of the Bible he's reading this from but I have several bibles which read the same.

Doesn't matter what a preacher preaches on the subject...it's in the Word. Rapture believing Christians didn't pull this concept out of the air.

I have a NKJ version in front of me that reads the same.

 

[Bishka]

16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,

Jesus Christ's second coming

with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

The ressurection of all

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

From my experience, rapturists believe that we will be taken to the kingdom of heaven. All this says is that we who are alive -- this could be Saints, believers, non-believers, etc. It does not specify a who - just everyone.

It also says that it's the clouds. The clouds and Kingdom of Heaven are two very differnet things.

I also believe that this isn't a brining up from the earth - but a changing of.

If you read 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trmp: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.

So, I believe we will be changed.

Did any of what I say make any sense?

 

[dawny0826]

Jesus Christ's second coming


The ressurection of all




From my experience, rapturists believe that we will be taken to the kingdom of heaven. All this says is that we who are alive -- this could be Saints, believers, non-believers, etc. It does not specify a who - just everyone.

It also says that it's the clouds. The clouds and Kingdom of Heaven are two very differnet things.

I also believe that this isn't a brining up from the earth - but a changing of.

If you read 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trmp: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.

So, I believe we will be changed.

Did any of what I say make any sense?

And you're entitled to your own interpretation. I just don't believe that it's fair when Christians who don't believe in the rapture make those who do out to be nuts when our interpretation of the quoted verse is pretty literal.

Not to imply hon, that I got that from you. I just sense a little head shaking at those of us who do believe that rapture is possible.

If you haven't, I suggest reading all of 1 Thessalonians. Made my head spin and totally question my views on death and the second coming. And I'm not pulling any of it from my behind.

It's ALL THERE...in the bible. Thessalonians is often times overlooked and ignored.

 

[Bishka]

And you're entitled to your own interpretation. I just don't believe that it's fair when Christians who don't believe in the rapture make those who do out to be nuts when our interpretation of the quoted verse is pretty literal.

Not to imply hon, that I got that from you. I just sense a little head shaking at those of us who do believe that rapture is possible.

If you haven't, I suggest reading all of 1 Thessalonians. Made my head spin and totally question my views on death and the second coming. And I'm not pulling any of it from my behind.

It's ALL THERE...in the bible. Thessalonians is often times overlooked and ignored.

I don't think your nuts (I think I'm more nuts then people who believe in the rapture/rapture) - but I also believe I can find it all there in other books of scripture and from living prophets.

 

[dawny0826]

I don't think your nuts (I think I'm more nuts then people who believe in the rapture/rapture) - but I also believe I can find it all there in other books of scripture and from living prophets.

That's not what I meant. I meant that the scripture that supports the views on rapture is all there. That wasn't intended as a flame. Wanted to make sure that you knew that.

And as you do believe that additional knowledge and revelation is found outside of the Bible...I can follow where you're coming from in not accepting the rapture possibility.

However, for those who claim that it isn't biblical doctrine...it is.