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Are you sure you will always remain Atheist ?

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InformedIgnorance

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I am quite certain I will always retain the ignostic approach to theological concepts with theological noncognitivism towards concepts that literally make no sense to me, apatheistic towards concepts that are not logically bound, gnostic atheism towards logically bound yet logically inconsistent concepts, agnostic atheism towards logically bound supernatural concepts in general and possibly agnostic theistic towards more naturalistic yet logically bound metaphorical concepts.

The only thing that is likely to change my approach is if I have a major psychological event; however what could change my position is far less dramatic:
Concepts I am theological noncognitivist in relation to may well change as people explain the concepts in ways that make sense; these can change over the course of a discussion with little problem.

It is entirely possible that some of the concepts that I am agnostic atheistic towards I might shift my awareness to become agnostic theist were I to experience an event that convinced me the natural order was not the only order (though I cannot determine what such an event might be, as I cannot envisage a scenario that could not be reasoned to merely be beyond my understanding of as opposed to outside of the the natural order).

But I do not believe that any of the concepts to which I am gnostic atheistic towards will ever change by simple virtue of the only ones to which I am gnostic atheistic towards are those that are held to be both logically characterised and yet are logically inconsistent. Nor am I likely to change my position of apatheism towards any concepts that are not logically characterised.​
 
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chinu

chinu

chinu
InformedIgnorance said:
I am quite certain I will always retain the ignostic approach to theological concepts with theological noncognitivism towards concepts that literally make no sense to me, apatheistic towards concepts that are not logically bound, gnostic atheism towards logically bound yet logically inconsistent concepts, agnostic atheism towards logically bound supernatural concepts in general and possibly agnostic theistic towards more naturalistic yet logically bound metaphorical concepts.

The only thing that is likely to change my approach is if I have a major psychological event; however what could change my position is far less dramatic:
Concepts I am theological noncognitivist in relation to may well change as people explain the concepts in ways that make sense; these can change over the course of a discussion with little problem.

It is entirely possible that some of the concepts that I am agnostic atheistic towards I might shift my awareness to become agnostic theist were I to experience an event that convinced me the natural order was not the only order (though I cannot determine what such an event might be, as I cannot envisage a scenario that could not be reasoned to merely be beyond my understanding of as opposed to outside of the the natural order).

But I do not believe that any of the concepts to which I am gnostic atheistic towards will ever change by simple virtue of the only ones to which I am gnostic atheistic towards are those that are held to be both logically characterised and yet are logically inconsistent. Nor am I likely to change my position of apatheism towards any concepts that are not logically characterised.
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But all this is not an atheism i think, do you ? :)
 
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InformedIgnorance

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chinu said:
But all this is not an atheism i think, do you ? :)
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Certainly not, some of it is a position on clarity (the theological non-cognitive which holds it to be unclear), some on perceived importance (the apathetic which holds it to be unimportant), some on certainty (the agnostic which acknowledges doubt while the gnostic claims pragmatic certainty), some on belief (atheistic in this case used to denote disbelief, while theistic belief).

However it is important to note that various forms of atheism (and what others CALL atheism) accounts for the majority of my positions. Progressing through the list line by line is basically how my approach goes:

Concept is -> My position

Nonsensical -> Theological Noncognitivism
Not logically bound -> Apatheism
Logically inconsistent -> Gnostic Atheism
Contravenes Natural laws -> Agnostic Atheism
Else -> Agnostic Atheism/Theism

(Generally the last line is merely a matter of belief, I seldom believe, thus it is usually Agnostic Atheism even if consistent with the natural laws. Though if a metaphorical naturalistic concept is examined then agnostic theism might be possible, even gnostic theism if sufficiently removed from the common understanding of the term god and with absolutely no supernatural luggage)
 
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johnhanks

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chinu said:
Why you choosed it, as you cannot continue it after death ? :)
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An interestingly circular question. If I thought I could continue to pursue my atheism after I died, its viability as a worldview would decrease markedly.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
InformedIgnorance said:
Certainly not, some of it is a position on clarity (the theological non-cognitive which holds it to be unclear), some on perceived importance (the apathetic which holds it to be unimportant), some on certainty (the agnostic which acknowledges doubt while the gnostic claims pragmatic certainty), some on belief (atheistic in this case used to denote disbelief, while theistic belief).

However it is important to note that agnostic atheism accounts for the majority of supernatural concepts which are possible to be understood to have meaning and are held to be able to be characterized or examined logically.
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Well, isn't there anything which could change you seriously ? what can change you seriously ?
 
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InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
chinu said:
Well, isn't there anything which could change you seriously ? what can change you seriously ?
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I explained that in my first post; my approach is extremely unlikely to change, nor my position on logic, yet my understanding of the concepts being discussed may alter mid conversation as people explain their position and my understanding of the natural order may well change with sufficient evidence (though I cannot perceive anything that could possibly suggest to me a non-natural order).
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
InformedIgnorance said:
I explained that in my first post; my approach is extremely unlikely to change, nor my position on logic
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OK, what do others call you as ? Theist, or somthing else ? Or before telling others what you are, what do you sound as to other people ? theist, or something else ?
What do people think about you ?
 
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