Are you vaccinated?

[metis]

But... you can't you get it anyways since the vaccination doesn't mean you won't? In other words, if you get vaccinated, you have proof you got vaccinated (bolstered) - and get it anyways..... then?

There are few guarantees in life, but we know with absolute certainty that the vaccines work even though nothing, including it, are perfect. To ignore that is like me not leaving my house in fear of being been abducted by Amazon women and being used as a sex toy.

And when your antibodies dissipater, your body still memorized the antibody so that when it appears again, it is ready to reproduce (correct me if I am wrong)

Yes, they're called "memory cells", but they aren't perfect either, plus one's body if compromised by age or something else may react too slowly to save their life.

Again, I always encourage people to go with the science, not the politics or out of fear, on matters like this. But it's your choice, of course, and that I do acknowledge.

 

[pearl]

From what I heard yesterday the J&J vaccine has been removed from use due to blood clots. I consider myself fortunate that I had no clots. Still, it was unsettling news.

 

[metis]

From what I heard yesterday the J&J vaccine has been removed from use due to blood clots. I consider myself fortunate that I had no clots. Still, it was unsettling news.

Not removed but restricted to just those who may have no other choice.

Also, they mentioned that the clots are very rare, which is why it took so long for them to show up, plus not getting any vaccine is far worse statistically.

 

[beenie]

I've been vaccinated with Moderna x 3, and could receive the 4th (second booster). All three of these doses knocked me on my *** with 103 fever, chills, body aches, fatigue, and a massive headache, and required me to take time off from school/work (I'm getting my BSN). I was waiting for a break from my work/school/family events to get the second booster. In that time, I managed to catch Covid from a family gathering; I'm on day 7 and I'm feeling better, but this fatigue is something else. Ironically (or not), my symptoms are all identical to that of the vaccines with the added bonus of a nasty cough and loss of smell. Would I have been worse off without the vaccines? We will never know. I am in no way anti-vaccine as someone who has seen more people die from Covid than I'd like to think about... but we need BETTER vaccines and BETTER therapeutics. Paxlovid sounds promising, but we need to stop relying on the same tactics and get back to work at having better vaccines and therapeutics. Masking, unmasking, masking, unmasking... doesn't work either.

We did an absolutely terrible job at communicating the need for vaccines and masking from the start, as it was made political. Politics has no business in healthcare. Mandating vaccines and masks caused mistrust in the healthcare industry and that will be very very difficult to reverse. Sadly.

 

[Jolly]

From what I heard yesterday the J&J vaccine has been removed from use due to blood clots. I consider myself fortunate that I had no clots. Still, it was unsettling news.

All the vaccines cause clotting- it's the result of using the spike protein. Early test were showing about 70% of vaccinated people had elevated D-diner tests- which shows the presence of micro clotting activity- and that was with one vaccine.

Its unavoidable because the spike expresses itself where ever the blood takes the MRNA, often it expresses in the walls of blood vessels and capillaries- naturally blood vessels with spike sticking out of them interrupt the blood flow.

Sadly there are no longer term safety studies with these vaccines which means ultimately that no one actually knows what the long term effects are going to be- certainly cannot claim them to be safe as their is no safety data to support the claim - best they can say it "we dont know". However side effects data is showing serious issues.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All the vaccines cause clotting- it's the result of using the spike protein. Early test were showing about 70% of vaccinated people had elevated D-diner tests- which shows the presence of micro clotting activity- and that was with one vaccine.

Its unavoidable because the spike expresses itself where ever the blood takes the MRNA, often it expresses in the walls of blood vessels and capillaries- naturally blood vessels with spike sticking out of them interrupt the blood flow.

Sadly there are no longer term safety studies with these vaccines which means ultimately that no one actually knows what the long term effects are going to be- certainly cannot claim them to be safe as their is no safety data to support the claim - best they can say it "we dont know". However side effects data is showing serious issues.

Citation needed. The only source that I could find of that claim was from a debunked doctor. Perhaps you have something that went through peer review.

And it appears that he got that claim from what happened to Covi19 patients whose symptoms were so severe that they were hospitalized. I can support that clam if you wish.

 

[Jolly]

There are few guarantees in life, but we know with absolute certainty that the vaccines work

No you don't, infact these vaccines can never work, simply because Covid is a respiratory infection- an injection in the arm produces anti bodies in the blood stream and this vaccine only anti bodies. Blood stream anti bodies cannot not pass into the lungs or nasal area. Mucosal antibodies act in these areas this is why vaccinated people are still catching covid - as the limited antibody responce has no means to impact on a repository infection.

An inactivaed virus nasal spray vaccine that mimics the mode of covid transmission and shows the immune system the entire virus and not simpy a spike from a varient that is no longer existing, is the only way to actually generate a full immune response.

Also important to know you need an active immune system for any vaccine to work and the elderly dont have that- vaccines for the elderly are a waste of time.

Pharmaceutical companies dont care about these facts their interest is financial.

Yes, they're called "memory cells", but they aren't perfect either, plus one's body if compromised by age or something else may react too slowly to save their life.

Again, I always encourage people to go with the science, not the politics or out of fear, on matters like this. But it's your choice, of course, and that I do acknowledge.

B and T cell immunity is the only way to really clear a virus in the end they are the ones responding to antigens that anti bodies attach to. Also import the role of cytotoxic cells as they destroy infected cells before viral replication can happen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No you don't, infact these vaccines can never work, simply because Covid is a respiratory infection- an injection in the arm produces anti bodies in the blood stream and this vaccine only anti bodies. Blood stream anti bodies cannot not pass into the lungs or nasal area. Mucosal antibodies act in these areas this is why vaccinated people are still catching covid - as the limited antibody responce has no means to impact on a repository infection.

An inactivaed virus nasal spray vaccine that mimics the mode of covid transmission and shows the immune system the entire virus and not simpy a spike from a varient that is no longer existing, is the only way to actually generate a full immune response.

Also important to know you need an active immune system for any vaccine to work and the elderly dont have that- vaccines for the elderly are a waste of time.

Pharmaceutical companies dont care about these facts their interest is financial.




B and T cell immunity is the only way to really clear a virus in the end they are the ones responding to antigens that anti bodies attach to. Also import the role of cytotoxic cells as they destroy infected cells before viral replication can happen.

Once again. Citation needed.

We do know that the vaccines work. Once again I can provide reliable sources for you if you wish. Or are you just going to keep repeating Alex Jones conspiracy nonsense?

 

[Jolly]

Citation needed. The only source that I could find of that claim was from a debunked doctor. Perhaps you have something that went through peer review.

And it appears that he got that claim from what happened to Covi19 patients whose symptoms were so severe that they were hospitalized. I can support that clam if you wish.

That's potencially all you will find, I'll double check, by the system is heavily engaged in censorship currently.

By the way peer review is simply other peers checking the methodology of a study or experiment- to discover if the data and conclusions are correct you have to repeat the experiment and get the same results.

Peer review does not validate a study- it simply checks it for errors in its method

 

[Jolly]

Once again. Citation needed.

We do know that the vaccines work. Once again I can provide reliable sources for you if you wish. Or are you just going to keep repeating Alex Jones conspiracy nonsense?

No you know the vaccines cause antibody production.

They are leaky- vacinated people still catch and transmit covid. That's not a neutralising vaccine. That is not a vaccine that works.

Infact because the vaccines are leaky they are actually causing more dangerous varients to.be tube produced Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken on this topic repeatedly

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's potencially all you will find, I'll double check, by the system is heavily engaged in censorship currently.

By the way peer review is simply other peers checking the methodology of a study or experiment- to discover if the data and conclusions are correct you have to repeat the experiment and get the same results.

Peer review does not validate a study- it simply checks it for errors in its method

Okay, so you do not know what peer review is. Peer review does not automatically mean that an article is correct, but it does mean that it does not have brain dead statements in it.

Why not just admit that you have nothing but conspiracy theories. In the early days of the pandemic these posts of yours would have been deleted and you could be in trouble for passing on harmful information. Consider yourself lucky.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No you know the vaccines cause antibody production.

They are leaky- vacinated people still catch and transmit covid. That's not a neutralising vaccine. That is not a vaccine that works.

Infact because the vaccines are leaky they are actually causing more dangerous varients to.be tube produced Geert Vanden Bossche has spoken on this topic repeatedly

All vaccines are "leaky". Which means that you have just admitted to not knowing how vaccines work. By the way, even if they leak, they are still working. We will have to continue to develop new vaccines for new variants unless some miracle vaccine that can handle rapid evolution arises. But even the current vaccines still lower the chance of getting infected, and even more important, greatly reduce the risks of dying from the virus.

 

[Jolly]

All vaccines are "leaky". Which means that you have just admitted to not knowing how vaccines work.

I think you've just shown you dont.

Mucosal Vaccines, Sterilizing Immunity, and the Future of SARS-CoV-2 Virulence

By the way, even if they leak, they are still working.

That's a rediculas statement

We will have to continue to develop new vaccines for new variants unless some miracle vaccine that can handle rapid evolution arises. But even the current vaccines still lower the chance of getting infected, and even more important, greatly reduce the risks of dying from the virus.

Incorrect they increase chances of getting infected, we are seeing negative efficacy in the statics today- vaccinated people are more likely to catch covid. As are they to die from vaccine related injuries. You can just go look at the statistics from Israel.

Also a point of note that people who have received one shot are listed as unvaccinated as are people that have only had 2 shots, in countries where a 4th shot has been given people with only 3 shots are listed as unvaccinated.

When you count people who have had atleast one vaccine as vacinated the numbers are clear.

 

[LuisDantas]

Darn right I am. Four doses as of now. Fully intend to get more when the opportunity arises.

 

[Jolly]

Okay, so you do not know what peer review is. Peer review does not automatically mean that an article is correct, but it does mean that it does not have brain dead statements in it.

Why not just admit that you have nothing but conspiracy theories. In the early days of the pandemic these posts of yours would have been deleted and you could be in trouble for passing on harmful information. Consider yourself lucky.

Well science is based on skepticism, debate and enquiry- that anyone who considers themself a scientist could condone censorship speaks volumes about the reality that they are not actually scientists.

In the words of Einstein "science can only flourish in an atmosphere of free speech" multi hypothesis difference of opinion are essential for science to function anyone seeking.to stifle discussion is inherently anti science.

As for peer reviewed studies- that's all we have no one has independently repeated the current studies on the vaccines they currently have no validation- and no safety data as no studies have been done on that area to even be done- considering they take between 5 and 10 years to conduct- we are going to be waiting a long time until anyone can say with certainty that these vaccines are safe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well science is based on skepticism, debate and enquiry- that anyone who considers themself a scientist could condone censorship speaks volumes about the reality that they are not actually scientists.

In the words of Einstein "science can only flourish in an atmosphere of free speech" multi hypothesis difference of opinion are essential for science to function anyone seeking.to stifle discussion is inherently anti science.

As for peer reviewed studies- that's all we have no one has independently repeated the current studies on the vaccines they currently have no validation- and no safety data as no studies have been done on that area to even be done- considering they take between 5 and 10 years to conduct- we are going to be waiting a long time until anyone can say with certainty that these vaccines are safe.

I don't think that you know what skepticism is. It is not just denying the findings of other. Skepticism always involves following the evidence. If you want to claim to be a skeptic you need valid evidence. You can't even find a reliable source for your claims here. That shows that you are probably not a skeptic, that is the behavior of a science denier.

So skepticism was always allowed. False information was not. There is a big difference..

 

[metis]

No you don't,

I read this and stopped there because I go by the science from peer-reviewed sources. I have a subscription to Scientific American that I've had for decades, and there's plenty of articles on covid, including one issue about a year ago that was almost entirely on covid. I also read from other scientific sources as well as I never trust any one source.

If you want to go with conspiracy theories, that's your right, but your position is nothing short of being bogus.

 

[Jolly]

I read this and stopped there because I go by the science from peer-reviewed sources. I have a subscription to Scientific American that I've had for decades, and there's plenty of articles on covid, including one issue about a year ago that was almost entirely on covid. I also read from other scientific sources as well as I never trust any one source.

If you want to go with conspiracy theories, that's your right, but your position is nothing short of being bogus.

I highly intelligent response.

Here is a peer reviewed report for you
COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?

 

[Jolly]

I don't think that you know what skepticism is. It is not just denying the findings of other. Skepticism always involves following the evidence. If you want to claim to be a skeptic you need valid evidence. You can't even find a reliable source for your claims here. That shows that you are probably not a skeptic, that is the behavior of a science denier.

So skepticism was always allowed. False information was not. There is a big difference..

Amazing well in 10 year time when someone has actually done some safety testing and it's been peer reviewed then retested for validation- people like yourself will actually have some evidence that these vaccines are in anyway safe for use in humans. Until that day you have no evidence to go on.

Of the studies information that have been released- Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 75 years but a court refused to allow that- the data dumps that have come out are shocking 80% of the women that were(Followed) vaccinated while pregnant lost their babies.

Their were more deaths in the vaccine group compared to the placebo group.

They used at efficacy statistics based on relative risk reduction to get their 95% effective statement- actual risk reduction was arround 1%.

On top of that a whistle blower stated that they had changed the data hide data and not followed up as they should have.

They also unblinded the study earily and then offered the placebo group the vaccine- which destroyed the control group.

It's not surprising Pfizer wanted this all hidden for 75 years.

Also the case as we have no safety data no one can give informed consent, as we still are not aware of the actual ingredients of the vaccines no one can give informed consent.

They thrown the Nuremberg code out the window and violated a few other human rights and bioethics laws with this vaccine mandate and mass roll out.

Not that someone like yourself in anyway appears to care about such things.

 

[metis]

I highly intelligent response.

Here is a peer reviewed report for you
COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?

Where is it peer reviewed?

And here is what I found out about Russell Blaylock [note segments below in italics and underlined:

Allegations of health dangers[edit]
Blaylock claims the supposed toxicity of numerous substances that according to scientific studies are safe at customary exposure levels. He has been quoted several times in media outlets regarding his position that MSG is toxic to the brain.[10][11][12] He also states that the widely used artificial sweetener aspartame is toxic[13][14] and may be the cause of multiple sclerosis.[15] He has additionally cautioned against heavy use of the artificial sweetener Splenda (sucralose).[16] These positions are not supported by scientific consensus or regulatory bodies, as extensive studies support the safety of aspartame, sucralose, and MSG.[2][3][17]

Views on politics[edit]
Blaylock has called the American medical system 'collectivist' and has suggested that health-care reform efforts under President Obama were masterminded by extragovernmental groups that wish to impose euthanasia.[18] He blamed the purported collectivism of American medicine for the retirement of his friend Miguel Faria. According to Blaylock, the former Soviet Union tried to spread collectivism by covertly introducing illegal drugs and various sexually transmitted diseases into the United States.[18] Schwarcz characterized these positions as "conspiracy theories."[18] -- Russell Blaylock - Wikipedia

"Peer reviewed", my rump.