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[ElishaElijah]

I just said it's problem is it sticks to what the Bible provides. If I stick to what Moby Dick says, then Captain Ahab was a real person, complete with all the nautical stuff as evidence as its likely to make a college reader to likely need a dictionary.

Did you read the article by Josh McDowell? There is more in that article than just the Bible says so. Like I said read it or don’t read it. If you do read it then comment on the specifics doesn’t matter to me. I personally like the article and what’s presented in both articles I posted.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you read the article by Josh McDowell? There is more in that article than just the Bible says so. Like I said read it or don’t read it. If you do read it then comment on the specifics doesn’t matter to me. I personally like the article and what’s presented in both articles I posted.

I have seen his failed arguments before. There was nothing new there. And you seemed to know it. When you do a copy and paste of any claim the weakness of his arguments become obvious.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I have seen his failed arguments before. There was nothing new there. And you seemed to know it. When you do a copy and paste of any claim the weakness of his arguments become obvious.

I like what he posted

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Did you read the article by Josh McDowell? There is more in that article than just the Bible says so. Like I said read it or don’t read it. If you do read it then comment on the specifics doesn’t matter to me. I personally like the article and what’s presented in both articles I posted.

Yes. There's references to some scrolls but not what is contained. It just says they are evidence. But if what?
And, yes, it really is "NT this and NT that."

The New Testament accounts of the resurrection were being circulated within the lifetimes of men and women alive at the time of the resurrection. Those people could certainly have confirmed or denied the accuracy of such accounts.

The writers of the four Gospels eith

concerning the value of the New Testament records as primary sources:

Because the New Testament provides the primary historical source for information on the resurrection,

e New Testament witnesses were fully aware of the

And my favorite for its outlandish hogwash:

If the New Testament were a collection of secular writings, their authenticity would generally be regarded as beyond all doubt.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I like what he posted

Obviously not that much. You did not copy and paste any of his claims here.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes. There's references to some scrolls but not what is contained. It just says they are evidence. But if what?
And, yes, it really is "NT this and NT that."


And my favorite for its outlandish hogwash:[/Q

Yes. There's references to some scrolls but not what is contained. It just says they are evidence. But if what?
And, yes, it really is "NT this and NT that."


And my favorite for its outlandish hogwash:

Thank-you for reading and commenting.
https://caldronpool.com/reliability-new-testament/
I posted this because of the FF Bruce quote and the list of secular writings compared to the NT.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thank-you for reading and commenting.
https://caldronpool.com/reliability-new-testament/
I posted this because of the FF Bruce quote and the list of secular writings compared to the NT.

Amd it also makes the absolutely absurd claim that of the NT were a secular document it would be accepted without doubt. Resurrections? Transmutations? Demonic possession? Mixing spit with mud to heal the blind? That would be rejected in a heartbeat if it were a secular document.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Amd it also makes the absolutely absurd claim that of the NT were a secular document it would be accepted without doubt. Resurrections? Transmutations? Demonic possession? Mixing spit with mud to heal the blind? That would be rejected in a heartbeat if it were a secular document.

Depends on the witnesses and if they were performed openly in public or in secret. Jesus performed supernatural miracles done in public for all to see. God is still doing supernatural things around the world. One thing about supernatural healing though is its only good for this temporary life, awesome but if it doesn’t result in a person repenting and getting right with God then doesn’t help for eternity. That’s why the greatest miracle is a changed heart by receiving Eternal life through Jesus Christ

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Depends on the witnesses and if they were performed openly in public or in secret. Jesus performed supernatural miracles done in public for all to see. God is still doing supernatural things around the world. One thing about supernatural healing though is its only good for this temporary life, awesome but if it doesn’t result in a person repenting and getting right with God then doesn’t help for eternity. That’s why the greatest miracle is a changed heart by receiving Eternal life through Jesus Christ

Stuff like turning water into wine doesn't happen.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Stuff like turning water into wine doesn't happen.

With Jesus Christ it is possible, with man by himself without God no. Except in the last days the Anti-Christ is supposed to do all kinds of lying wonders to deceive people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

With Jesus Christ it is possible, with man by himself without God no. Except in the last days the Anti-Christ is supposed to do all kinds of lying wonders to deceive people.

That is what your religion says, and why, even the Bible were a secular document, it would still be taken as seriously as is the Iliad or Divine Comedy.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That is what your religion says, and why, even the Bible were a secular document, it would still be taken as seriously as is the Iliad or Divine Comedy.

I don’t have a religion in the terms that your speaking of

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don’t have a religion in the terms that your speaking of

I didn't say what religion you specifically follow.
But you believe in the Bible, you accept the miracles of it, that is a part of your religious terms may be.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I didn't say what religion you specifically follow.
But you believe in the Bible, you accept the miracles of it, that is a part of your religious terms may be.

This:
“Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[ecco]

The simple answer is you’re assuming you have wisdom and understanding of the Scriptures and God. You don’t and that’s why you misinterpret and put your own meaning on them. This is your error.

Versions like the KJV are translations that are written in what is pretty much 5th-grade English. I make no interpretations. A circle is a circle; four corners are four corners. Spheres are not mentioned in the context of the shape of the earth.

You are the one trying to interpret circles as spheres.
You are the one trying to interpret four corners as spheres.
You are the one making the errors because it is vitally important to your mental well-being to believe in the accuracy of a bunch of 6000-year-old stories.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This:
“Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

And that is still your beliefs, we go back to my previous point.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Versions like the KJV are translations that are written in what is pretty much 5th-grade English. I make no interpretations. A circle is a circle; four corners are four corners. Spheres are not mentioned in the context of the shape of the earth.

You are the one trying to interpret circles as spheres.
You are the one trying to interpret four corners as spheres.
You are the one making the errors because it is vitally important to your mental well-being to believe in the accuracy of a bunch of 6000-year-old stories.

You can say I’m the one making errors all you want to and doesn’t bother me. I know God and have what He promised. I’ve received the gift of eternal life. This happened before I ever read the Scriptures for myself.
In all my reading after that never thought the Bible was teaching that the earth was flat. Sounds like you’re fishing for reasons to justify yourself.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And that is still your beliefs, we go back to my previous point.

The verse in James describes what our religion is and what I have with God isn’t based on rules and regulations. He is my Father and I’m one of His adopted sons. Pretty awesome. You wouldn’t say your relationship with your parents is a religion would you?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The verse in James describes what our religion is and what I have with God isn’t based on rules and regulations. He is my Father and I’m one of His adopted sons. Pretty awesome. You wouldn’t say your relationship with your parents is a religion would you?

In a since that you're using them, actually yes, in a sense that Mother gave birth to all life on Earth. Every Living Being, we are all related, we are all Her Children.
The point still stands that "anything is possible through Christ who strengthens" is not going to mean you immune toxins. Spitting in the mud has never cured blindness. Dead people do not return to life.
Those are your religious beliefs. That's not enough or good enough to warrant influencing the Home we all share as whole. You can practice your whatever one your own time, but you have to share this Home with the rest of us. This means no putting your own religion first, because then it just starts a big, endless argument and fights that led to "congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion" in the first place.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t have a religion in the terms that your speaking of

Actually you do. You simply deny it.