Audie
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An article.
The earth itself , otoh, provides abundant
Disproof of literal genesis interpretation.
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Article, “Internal Proofs of Bible Authenticity”
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The earth itself , otoh, provides abundant
Disproof of literal genesis interpretation.
Coder
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We have "authentic" "proofs" including actual times and places in Roman empire of:
I don't believe in Greco-Roman "gods". I believe in one God.
- Belief in "gods" and "sons of gods"
- Temples to the "gods"
- Emperors called "divine" and "divi filius"
- Roman destruction of Jewish Temple
- Then Roman destruction of temples upon new religion
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Yes, I agree with regard to understanding that the Creative Days were literal days
I’ve told you, many times, I’m not a YEC.
The evidence doesn’t support that view.
Fortunately, “Yom” (Hebrew word for ‘day’) isn’t limited to a literal 24-hr.-day meaning.
Audie
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Call yourself any name you like. Theres unlimited variaties
of chosen meanings to all of genesis.
All of genesis is true, depending on what the meaning "is" and "Trrue" is.
And once youve chosen to believe its trur and in an ominipotent " god" then it could have made everything instantly. Zero elapsed time. Toss in "embedded age" and no contrary physical evidence can disprove it.
The bible is mum on which, or how to know, other than the
adminision to test all things.
Whether its respectful for " believers" in any " god" to just choose to choose, i leave to you
To me it shows vast arrogance and disrespect.
Disrespect for any god out there, disresprct for
any and all researchers, and, such behaviour
as arrogance, intellectual laziness, and self
deception show no self respect either.
Coder
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Agree, we should observe internal clues in the Bible:
Romans 3:7 "...falsehood..."
1 Corinthians 9:22 "...all things to all people..."
The Creeds of Roman Christianity are also "...all things to all people..."
I believe in one God (Father) (Judaism non-trinitarian)
God as Father is also Jupiterian, 'pater' / 'father' in 'heavens/sky' (main God of Rome)
God clearly identified as one, the Father alone (no trinity)
Monotheists (like myself): I believe in one God (absolutely no need for transitional adaptations from prior Roman religion to monotheism).
Romans 3:7 "...falsehood..."
1 Corinthians 9:22 "...all things to all people..."
The Creeds of Roman Christianity are also "...all things to all people..."
I believe in one God (Father) (Judaism non-trinitarian)
God as Father is also Jupiterian, 'pater' / 'father' in 'heavens/sky' (main God of Rome)
God clearly identified as one, the Father alone (no trinity)
Then "Son of God" (Greco-Roman, "gods and sons of gods")
Holy Spirit (Judaism, Zoroastrianism)
Monotheists (like myself): I believe in one God (absolutely no need for transitional adaptations from prior Roman religion to monotheism).
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Audie
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Never test the interpretations
against external sources of info?
Subduction Zone
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That is not so at all. There is a lot of bad "archaeology" that may seem to do that. Every few years you hear of a find that "verifies the Bible" and then those claims disappear as the article is refuted. If anything the opposite has happened. Ask a real archaeologist, that is one that works and publishes in the field about the Exodus. Almost all of them will say that archaeology tells us that it did not happen.
Do you remember a few years back there was a claim about either an asteroid or comet that caused the destruction of Sodom? That only lasted a month or two before it was thoroughly refuted.
Subduction Zone
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The Bible is true if you only read the Bible. That means you have to ignore peer reviewed papers that show it is wrong. You have to ignore history that show that it has errors in it.
It is amazing how many stories are true if you only read the books that they are in.
Coder
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Hi, when I said "agree", you missed the subtlety. Look at the remainder of my post - includes the external Roman context.
Augustus
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The Julian family traced their ancestry back through the Trojans and to Aeneas and Venus.
I for one can’t possibly think of any reason they may potentially fabricated such an illustrious lineage.
And you’d have to be a pretty cold hearted cynic to doubt that Woden was the father of all the Anglo-Saxon kings in England.
The genealogy of the Mercians.
Woden begat Guedolgeat, who begat Gueagon, who begat Guithleg, who begat Guerdmund, who begat Ossa, who begat Ongen, who begat Eamer, who begat Pubba…
The origin of the kings of East-Anglia.
Woden begat Casser, who begat Titinon, who begat Trigil, who begat Rodmunt, who begat Rippa, who begat Guillem Guercha,* who was the first king of the East Angles. Guercha begat Uffa, who begat Tytillus, who begat Eni, who begat Edric, who begat Aldwulf, who begat Elric.
Coder
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I believe:
The Jewish people already believed in one God:
Romans 3: "...What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, ...? Much in every way..."
John 4:22 "...You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know..."
It's "all things to all people" (1 Corinthians 9:22) The idea is to use whatever methods are useful for a particular group. Some groups respect lineage. It certainly didn't work for the Jewish people who have been called "blind" for centuries - because they didn't believe the trinity theology that resulted from the "fibs" for Roman unity: Romans 3:7 "...if through my lie God's truth abounds..."
The Jewish people already believed in one God:
Romans 3: "...What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, ...? Much in every way..."
John 4:22 "...You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know..."
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Audie
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Archseology deals with physical
things external to the bible.
Your thread is about internal
"proofs".
Archaeology has never turned up
evidence for the supernatural.
All of the " hard" sciences provide
abundant disproof of world wide flood.
The lack of a stone tablet that says like " Psst,
It's just a story" is relevant to only to how
thin a thread of exccuse it takes to maintain denial.
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Coder
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I "liked" your post and I add this: Except for the part that needn't be dug up, the universe itself.
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Audie
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As you like.I "liked" your post and I add this: Except for the part that needn't be dug up, the universe itself.
(Rather than debate this, I simply tell people that I believe that existence is from God. Others may think that universe/existence can come from nothing or laws of physics etc., I don't, and respectfully, I don't even see how someone can believe that. That's one discussion that there is no sense debating with me, so respectfully, I spare people the time on that one.)
If you want to understand people and things you now do
not, you will find a way.
Good luck
Audie
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Pi equals three, and all that rot.
Coder
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Well, I certainly don't want to be impolite, I am sorry about that. Science can observe and find patterns etc. but not fully explain. Agree?
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Subduction Zone
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That is the nature of science. There will always be unanswered questions. That is what makes science work. But why do you even bring this up? Unanswered questions do not help you. In fact it shows a major flaw in your beliefs. You do not seem to have any rational answers yourself.
Do you have any evidence for your beliefs.
Coder
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Perhaps you haven't read my posts on various threads.
Subduction Zone
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Probably not. But you would have no idea of how many people do not understand the concept of evidence.
Coder
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Then you might think that I'm a Bible fundamentalist/literalist. Read some of my posts, if you'd like, and I hope that you enjoy. E.g.:
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