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@GoodAttention part 1
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Many people, even those committed to faith in the scriptures, will say that the stories in Genesis are mythological without any evidence that the people or places described existed, or present arguments that do not correlate well with the scriptures or scientific evidence. I will attempt to bring my understanding of historical events described by science and anthropology, and how they correlate to the scriptures concluding on my interpretation of where Ur Kasdim is.
4.2ky event - This was a severe climatic event that affected the entire world, thought to be a result of weakening ocean currents changing rainfall and temperatures starting in 2200BC. It is believed to have lasted 100 years, although the affect on human populations lasted up to 300 years. It caused some areas of the world to became dry, arid, and drought affected (Mesopotamia, Indus Valley), whilst others experienced significant flooding and famine (Egypt, China). It resulted in the movement of peoples living in the Middle East who were effectively climate refugees, from a west to east direction seeking better conditions, ultimately resulting in peoples both leaving from and coming into the Indus Valley area by the year 1900BC (reference link below).
Scripture correlation - Reading Genesis 10:25 as follows "To ‘Ever were born two sons. One was given the name Peleg [division], because during his lifetime the earth was divided. His brother’s name was Yoktan." The date of the 4.2ky event in history coincides very closely to the birth of Peleg, as does its potential duration given Peleg is described as having lived 239 years, in addition to the description of the earth being divided into wet and dry areas. It is this last point which I believe is the most important, answering what is meant by the text in Genesis.
I also want to make the point that, as described above, the potential movement of Abraham's forefathers starting with Peleg towards the eventual destination Ur Kasdim was not out of intent, but necessity, given the drastic changes in the environment, and social upheaval they were experiencing.
Ur Kasdim - We know that time period from Peleg to Nahor I occurs close to 200 years, suggesting the forefathers of Abraham could have travelled a significant distance if starting in the Levant, through Mesopotamia, and ending at the Western Himalayas/Indus Valley Civilisation. The name Ur Kasdim could therefore signify this journey by being a collective of Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Hebrew together.
Ur, the Sumerian word for "land" or "place of", Khas, Sanskrit referring to the Khas or Khasas tribe, and suffix -im in Hebrew completing the plural to peoples. Ur Kasdim would therefore translate as "Land of the Khas people", located in north west India near the Western Himalayas, and not Mesopotamia as has been generally accepted.
I will explore who the Khas people were in Part II, including how Kasdim/Khas could refer more accurately to Kastriya, specifically a group of outcast royalty during the time of the 4.2ky event, with Terah choosing to live as amongst them thereby becoming the birthplace of Abram.
4.2-kiloyear event - Wikipedia
Part two is in post 56 in this thread from @GoodAttention
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Ur Kasdim is in the Western Himalayas not Mesopotamia Part I
AbrahamicMany people, even those committed to faith in the scriptures, will say that the stories in Genesis are mythological without any evidence that the people or places described existed, or present arguments that do not correlate well with the scriptures or scientific evidence. I will attempt to bring my understanding of historical events described by science and anthropology, and how they correlate to the scriptures concluding on my interpretation of where Ur Kasdim is.
4.2ky event - This was a severe climatic event that affected the entire world, thought to be a result of weakening ocean currents changing rainfall and temperatures starting in 2200BC. It is believed to have lasted 100 years, although the affect on human populations lasted up to 300 years. It caused some areas of the world to became dry, arid, and drought affected (Mesopotamia, Indus Valley), whilst others experienced significant flooding and famine (Egypt, China). It resulted in the movement of peoples living in the Middle East who were effectively climate refugees, from a west to east direction seeking better conditions, ultimately resulting in peoples both leaving from and coming into the Indus Valley area by the year 1900BC (reference link below).
Scripture correlation - Reading Genesis 10:25 as follows "To ‘Ever were born two sons. One was given the name Peleg [division], because during his lifetime the earth was divided. His brother’s name was Yoktan." The date of the 4.2ky event in history coincides very closely to the birth of Peleg, as does its potential duration given Peleg is described as having lived 239 years, in addition to the description of the earth being divided into wet and dry areas. It is this last point which I believe is the most important, answering what is meant by the text in Genesis.
I also want to make the point that, as described above, the potential movement of Abraham's forefathers starting with Peleg towards the eventual destination Ur Kasdim was not out of intent, but necessity, given the drastic changes in the environment, and social upheaval they were experiencing.
Ur Kasdim - We know that time period from Peleg to Nahor I occurs close to 200 years, suggesting the forefathers of Abraham could have travelled a significant distance if starting in the Levant, through Mesopotamia, and ending at the Western Himalayas/Indus Valley Civilisation. The name Ur Kasdim could therefore signify this journey by being a collective of Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Hebrew together.
Ur, the Sumerian word for "land" or "place of", Khas, Sanskrit referring to the Khas or Khasas tribe, and suffix -im in Hebrew completing the plural to peoples. Ur Kasdim would therefore translate as "Land of the Khas people", located in north west India near the Western Himalayas, and not Mesopotamia as has been generally accepted.
I will explore who the Khas people were in Part II, including how Kasdim/Khas could refer more accurately to Kastriya, specifically a group of outcast royalty during the time of the 4.2ky event, with Terah choosing to live as amongst them thereby becoming the birthplace of Abram.
4.2-kiloyear event - Wikipedia
Part two is in post 56 in this thread from @GoodAttention
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