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[Jane.Doe]

Well, you and Jacub drew it! Just reflecting your theology back to you.

Let me clarify; LDS Christian view of the afterlife and salvation is different than traditional Christians.

For LDS Christians, all wicked people will acknowledge Jesus is the Christ. They will live forever. However, this is not the same eternal life that a righteous person shall lived, bathed in the glory of God.

 

[Katzpur]

@Jane.Doe, nice to see you posting. I've decided not to post on RF anymore. I've been posting here nearly 18 years now, and I've had all of the unmoderated nastiness I can tolerate. So hold down the fort, girl! You can do it better than anyone I've ever met here.

 

[Colt]

Time and Space are really insignificant to God. There are more dimensions than you think. Right now the Earth is just a small dot in the universe, just like you are a mortal being that will eventually die. However in the resurrection, God will open the veil and we will be able to see Earths true dimensions. That it is so much there that we haven't even imagined. God is able.

Its like trying to get ahold of a grassed watermelon in a swimming pool with you! Are you saying that "tiny earth" will be added to in some way, that extensions of detentions will extend out for all the people resurrected to live on????

 

[Colt]

Let me clarify; LDS Christian view of the afterlife and salvation is different than traditional Christians.

For LDS Christians, all wicked people will acknowledge Jesus is the Christ. They will live forever. However, this is not the same eternal life that a righteous person shall lived, bathed in the glory of God.

That doesn't clarify anything related to WHERE all the resurrected will live on the earth! Are the LDS always this vague about specifics?

 

[oldbadger]

That is inaccurate.

Jesus is God. His reaching out to me, that story, is super important. It is why I believe scriptures and other stories. God touching my life does not minimize the other lives He has touched.

And so the accounts of Jesus and what he did are important after all?
You'll only find out about him from those gospels, imo.

 

[oldbadger]

I mean wa

What did you want to say? I didn't understand the above.

The accounts of who Jesus was and what he did are on the gospels.....no where else.

Do you have intimate knowledge of the above?

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

Its like trying to get ahold of a grassed watermelon in a swimming pool with you! Are you saying that "tiny earth" will be added to in some way, that extensions of detentions will extend out for all the people resurrected to live on????

Ok so maybe to better understand where you come from, what do you believe heaven will be like? Will we be shot up somewhere on some tractor beam to another universe and made as light as clouds playing harps and praising God forever with our harp music?

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

What did you want to say? I didn't understand the above.

The accounts of who Jesus was and what he did are on the gospels.....no where else.

Do you have intimate knowledge of the above?

Sorry that was a mistake. I wanted to say the whole bible old and new glorifies Jesus and the Book of Mormon does too. Having the gospels is super critical to have, but without everything else it wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Jane.Doe]

That doesn't clarify anything related to WHERE all the resurrected will live on the earth! Are the LDS always this vague about specifics?

I cannot give you a geographical address because I do not have one, and frankly I don’t think it’s important. The eternal joy in Christ is much more than about where your snail mail gets shipped.

 

[Colt]

Ok so maybe to better understand where you come from, what do you believe heaven will be like? Will we be shot up somewhere on some tractor beam to another universe and made as light as clouds playing harps and praising God forever with our harp music?

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


I believe that the survivors will be resurrected in a new form, the same form that Jesus was resurrected in. We will be resurrected after the sleep of death on the mansion worlds where we will begin where we left off in our spiritual growth before being overtaken by death. Both Elijah and Enoch did not experience death, rather they "translated" to the next world.

 

[Jane.Doe]

And so the accounts of Jesus and what he did are important after all?
You'll only find out about him from those gospels, imo.

What did you want to say? I didn't understand the above.

The accounts of who Jesus was and what he did are on the gospels.....no where else.

Do you have intimate knowledge of the above?

Of course scriptures are important and of course I have studied them thoroughly.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


I believe that the survivors will be resurrected in a new form, the same form that Jesus was resurrected in. We will be resurrected after the sleep of death on the mansion worlds where we will begin where we left off in our spiritual growth before being overtaken by death. Both Elijah and Enoch did not experience death, rather they "translated" to the next world.

Ok so if I wanted to visit another person in a different mansion world, would I just take a spaceship or fly to them? Assuming I could fly anywhere. Or just teleport there. If you believe in mansion planets to account for real estate on earth. It seems like all of that seems only account for human perspective of space time. There are far better explanations than just having other places in the universe and throwing away the Earth like a used wrapper. There is glory to the Earth that we haven't discovered. Watch Interstellar, it gives a better more 'scientific' explanation of how God would be to see the dimensions of space and time.

 

[Colt]

Ok so if I wanted to visit another person in a different mansion world, would I just take a spaceship or fly to them? Assuming I could fly anywhere. Or just teleport there. If you believe in mansion planets to account for real estate on earth. It seems like all of that seems only account for human perspective of space time. There are far better explanations than just having other places in the universe and throwing away the Earth like a used wrapper. There is glory to the Earth that we haven't discovered. Watch Interstellar, it gives a better more 'scientific' explanation of how God would be to see the dimensions of space and time.

How did Jesus return to heaven, did he ride in your snarky mobile?

There are billions of galaxies!

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

How did Jesus return to heaven, did he ride in your snarky mobile?

There are billions of galaxies!

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All of these galaxies are corruptible and die eventually. Do you think we just migrate from planet to planet when the world blows up? We believe God is greater than that. The point isnt to move, but to stay and improve on what we are given. In the scriptures, the ascension is all that we have about the way Christs went to Heaven. This could mean anything. The way most people who have watched x files think of it as a spaceship taking Jesus away like he was some type of E.T. not of this world. However, LDS do not see it that way. We believe that there is a veil between Heaven and Earth. Kind of like a huge interdimensional invisibility cloak around Heaven. Once we receive our perfected bodies, that veil is lifted for us to travel in and out of dimensional space and we are able to experience the Heaven that is interwoven between universes of Gods Creations. Like in the movie Interstellar, where they were lightyears away from Earth but when the main character was sucked into a black hole he was able to view the entire universe past and present in one point. Space and Time became only a plane and he was floating in a 4th dimension. Now I'm not saying it will be exactly like that, but it does give an interesting perspective in describing how a without beginning and without ending God would see our 3 dimensional world.

 

[Colt]

All of these galaxies are corruptible and die eventually. Do you think we just migrate from planet to planet when the world blows up? We believe God is greater than that. The point isnt to move, but to stay and improve on what we are given. In the scriptures, the ascension is all that we have about the way Christs went to Heaven. This could mean anything. The way most people who have watched x files think of it as a spaceship taking Jesus away like he was some type of E.T. not of this world. However, LDS do not see it that way. We believe that there is a veil between Heaven and Earth. Kind of like a huge interdimensional invisibility cloak around Heaven. Once we receive our perfected bodies, that veil is lifted for us to travel in and out of dimensional space and we are able to experience the Heaven that is interwoven between universes of Gods Creations. Like in the movie Interstellar, where they were lightyears away from Earth but when the main character was sucked into a black hole he was able to view the entire universe past and present in one point. Space and Time became only a plane and he was floating in a 4th dimension. Now I'm not saying it will be exactly like that, but it does give an interesting perspective in describing how a without beginning and without ending God would see our 3 dimensional world.

All the galaxies die??? Where is that in the Bible and why would God create them for not??

I went to the LDS website and found a different version than yours:

4 Joseph and Sidney learned that there are three places for people to go in heaven when they are resurrected. Righteous Saints will be glorified and go to the celestial kingdom, where Heavenly Father and Jesus live. And everything that They have the Saints there will have too.

5 Next Joseph and Sidney saw the terrestrial kingdom of heaven. People in the terrestrial kingdom were good people on earth, but they did not have faith in Jesus and did not obey all of the commandments.

6 Some of the people in the terrestrial kingdom did not believe the gospel when they heard it on earth but did accept it after they died. These people may see Jesus, but they cannot live with Him or Heavenly Father.

7 Then Joseph and Sidney saw the telestial kingdom of heaven. Angels will visit them, and the Holy Ghost will teach them, but they will not see Jesus or Heavenly Father.



Anyway, you had indicated that God was going to add some dimensions to the earth to accommodate the hundreds of billions of resurrected people which lead to this line of discussion.

 

[Jacob Samuelson]

All the galaxies die??? Where is that in the Bible and why would God create them for not??

I went to the LDS website and found a different version than yours:

4 Joseph and Sidney learned that there are three places for people to go in heaven when they are resurrected. Righteous Saints will be glorified and go to the celestial kingdom, where Heavenly Father and Jesus live. And everything that They have the Saints there will have too.

5 Next Joseph and Sidney saw the terrestrial kingdom of heaven. People in the terrestrial kingdom were good people on earth, but they did not have faith in Jesus and did not obey all of the commandments.

6 Some of the people in the terrestrial kingdom did not believe the gospel when they heard it on earth but did accept it after they died. These people may see Jesus, but they cannot live with Him or Heavenly Father.

7 Then Joseph and Sidney saw the telestial kingdom of heaven. Angels will visit them, and the Holy Ghost will teach them, but they will not see Jesus or Heavenly Father.



Anyway, you had indicated that God was going to add some dimensions to the earth to accommodate the hundreds of billions of resurrected people which lead to this line of discussion.

Celestial Bodies are very similar to Human bodies, they are made of decomposable matter. In the Bible 1st Kings 2:2 we see the way of all the Earth is death. The Earth will die, the stars and galaxies are exhaustable. It is a matter of time that everything around us will expend the energy of life. That energy is to be renewed into incorruptible matter as we see in the resurrection.

Joseph Smith used the word place to differentiate the levels of Glory yet not indicate the location of these Kingdoms. Our 10th article of Faith is a better understanding of this. 'We believe in the literal agathering of Israel and in the restoration of the bTen Tribes; that cZion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will dreign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be erenewed and receive its fparadisiacal gglory"

The Earth and galaxies will be renewed and resurrected, The galaxies are not in vain in their creation, they were a way to describe the endlessness of Gods power and mercy to everyone of His children. There is a reason for their existence..

 

[idea]

Celestial Bodies are very similar to Human bodies, they are made of decomposable matter. In the Bible 1st Kings 2:2 we see the way of all the Earth is death. The Earth will die, the stars and galaxies are exhaustable. It is a matter of time that everything around us will expend the energy of life. That energy is to be renewed into incorruptible matter as we see in the resurrection.

Joseph Smith used the word place to differentiate the levels of Glory yet not indicate the location of these Kingdoms. Our 10th article of Faith is a better understanding of this. 'We believe in the literal agathering of Israel and in the restoration of the bTen Tribes; that cZion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will dreign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be erenewed and receive its fparadisiacal gglory"

The Earth and galaxies will be renewed and resurrected, The galaxies are not in vain in their creation, they were a way to describe the endlessness of Gods power and mercy to everyone of His children. There is a reason for their existence..

Regarding levels of glory, can you explain why any female would be interested in polygamny as their highest level of glory? DC132.

 

[PruePhillip]

Cutting to the chase here: archeologists will also show some evidence of the stories of Mohammad, the Buddha, and Confucius.

And other men, such as scientists, will show all their f the above texts to be bogus. For example, a literal interpretation of the story Genesis creation is certifiably false.

But I do not believe God because of the words of man. I acknowledge the words of men, which sometimes show support or disagreement. We do not know all things. But I trust God.

Genesis is a big book. It's comprised of two creation accounts, the Noahian flood and
the Abraham to Joseph account.
Which part is 'bogus' to you?

 

[PruePhillip]

How did Jesus return to heaven, did he ride in your snarky mobile?

There are billions of galaxies!

This, I presume, is the 'Hubble Deep Field' image.
It's a picture of elments of our own universe.
The bible says that God lies outside of our universe.

God cannot reside WITHIN our creation - if He did then how could He have created the universe?
And for that matter, if there's no God then how did the universe create itself when it didn't exist?
And WHY would the universe create itself when it didn't exist?

 

[Jane.Doe]

Genesis is a big book. It's comprised of two creation accounts, the Noahian flood and
the Abraham to Joseph account.
Which part is 'bogus' to you?

My post was very specific already. If somebody wants to look for men’s testimony for truth, then that must also accept the archeological evidence supporting the stories of Mohammad and Buddha. And scientificly reject a literal interpretation of Genesis 6 day creation.

If that’s your thing, then I acknowledge that.

As for me, I don’t look to men for God’s Truth.