LDS Christians don't believe in Sola Scriptura, rather believe that God still speaks and is continuing to reveal His Truths. His apostles are mouthpieces in that regard, but again that doesn't replace your own personal relationship with Christ-- ask Him!
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Neuropteron
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Hi,
Not only would that be very confusing, devalue scriptural inspiration but also contradict statements about how inspiration occurs and is applied.
Thank you for that information.
Honestly I find that God still speaking is consistent with scripture- He doesn’t change. I of course acknowledge other folks that believe sola scriptura, but it’s not a belief I share.
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Leaning on and following imperfect arms of flesh as if one were following God is very dangerous. It becomes the church of a person, not the church of God. The New Testament Apostles were constantly being corrected, are a beautiful example of the frailty of humans, of being humble and repentant. I do not see these characteristics in the Mormon church. No LDS leader has ever apologized for racism. No LDS leader has ever apologized for calling pedophiles as leaders. No leader has ever apologized for publishing lies about the early LDS church. General conference talks that are proven false are quietly removed without repentance etc. Very different from the original apostles in the NT.
Neuropteron
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Hi,
I respect your belief.
Permit me however to point out that the fact that God "does not change" is not necessarily a foundation for believing that procedures or actions that He took in the past will indefinetly be repeated today.
God adapts what he does in harmony with his purpose, this does not mean that He changes.
His purpose that is clearly stated at creation has not been forgotten and will -according to the Gospel- be realised by intalled Christ as king over the earth.
It is only then that additionall (Rev) information will be given to mankind.
Until that time, the Bible claims to be the only information we need to in step with Gods purpose (plan).
Be well
Needless to say we disagree here
Jacob Samuelson
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I believe callings come from God. Everyone votes based on their knowledge. If I willingly knew that a pedophile was in the midst of the congregation, than I wouldn't sustain them. If you were a member I would expect the same thing. The fact that we can vote for who takes a office of priesthood means that we believe democracy is the Lord's pattern. The pedophile who feels like they can trick others into voting him to serve the Church will be judged accordingly. God may give discernment to prohibit those from receiving callings, or He may allow these people to be judged for lying to their Bishop. The Book of Mormon and Bible speaks of these instances as bearing false witness and God permittance of evil so that His judgment may be clear.Do you believe callings come from God? How do you explain everyone in the congregation raising their handsto sustain pedophiles? It's not just a few wolves in sheep's clothing. If you have raised your hand to sustain leaders, you too have sustained pedophiles.
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So you believe God called pedophiles....
[Quote ] God may give discernment to prohibit those from receiving callings, or He may allow these people to be judged for lying to their Bishop. The Book of Mormon and Bible speaks of these instances as bearing false witness and God permittance of evil so that His judgment may be clear.[/QUOTE]
There are many leaders within the Mormon church who bear false witness, and many without discernment.
God permits those with health issues, who are insane, without correction, without guidance to go on in ignorance? It is an infinite cause/effect chain - they are who they are because of others.
Year after year, calling after calling - no one stopped them, no discernment, no guidance. Generation after generation for his wife. She rationalized as that is all she knew - is she to blame? Is he? Talk to him, he blames others too. A tangled web which breaks down the whole system.
Imperfect people were never meant to have authority over one another, none better or more trustworthy than any other. We must all be self-reliant. Women protect, women provide - this is reality.
Jacob Samuelson
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There are many leaders within the Mormon church who bear false witness, and many without discernment.
God permits those with health issues, who are insane, without correction, without guidance to go on in ignorance? It is an infinite cause/effect chain - they are who they are because of others.
Year after year, calling after calling - no one stopped them, no discernment, no guidance. Generation after generation for his wife. She rationalized as that is all she knew - is she to blame? Is he? Talk to him, he blames others too. A tangled web which breaks down the whole system.
Imperfect people were never meant to have authority over one another, none better or more trustworthy than any other. We must all be self-reliant. Women protect, women provide - this is reality.[/QUOTE]
'We believe that a man is called of God by Revelation, by those who are in authority to preach the Gospel and administer the ordinance thereof." God has to work with imperfect people, there is nothing that is going to change that while He is still in Heaven and we're on Earth. Imperfection isn't the problem, it is the manner of wanting to stay in an imperfect state. The Church is to act like a hospital, were God is the head physician, not man. To me a pedophile without God is far more dangerous than a pedophile with God. They still can use Church as an undercover for their dark deeds, but the church's job isn't to imprison them or force them to stop their sins, it is to provide an environment of healing if and when they are willing to be heal. God knows what lies for the future of a sinner. He appointed Judas Iscariot who ultimately made an unforgivable choice to betray Him. He also appointed Peter as the head apostle who had denied him three times. Even the best of them was imperfect. Yet God also knows the potential of all of them, They could have chosen good and lead exceptional lives, just like Paul who changed His life. It is the choice of individual in the end. They will be judged.
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Year after year, generation after generation - not a hospital, a dungeon.
It is the choice for many women to protect their children, provide for themselves, and reject false authority. A just God expects no one to follow unjust racist sexist homophobic pedophile "leaders". They are not leaders. We all - for the sake of our children- claim our own authority in the end.
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If God doesn’t change, why does the endowment ordinance undergo such significant changes from time to time?
There’s so much wrong with that statement, I don’t even know where to begin.
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PruePhillip
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There’s so much wrong with that statement, I don’t even know where to begin.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps they mean there's even less constraint. On the other hand it could mean you invoke God's name,
or worse, be a bad example to other people.
Jacob Samuelson
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Perhaps they mean there's even less constraint. On the other hand it could mean you invoke God's name,
or worse, be a bad example to other people.[/QUOTE]
It means that if you didn't believe in God as a pedophile, to you, the consequence of your sin would only be as little as 3 months in prison, referring to a case where a guy downloaded child pornography and that was his actual sentencing. The same guy yet who believed in God would understand his consequence as something far greater than 3 months in prison and if he didn't sincerely repent to never do it again he could be facing an eternity in whatever messed up mental state of Hell that exists. Usually we will see that unrepented continuation of serious sins as these typically result in a complete rejection of God anyways. So those who are pedophiles and are still in the mindset where they believe in God have two choices they can do their time in prison and repent and change their ways or, in order to preserve their pedophilia, must reject God himself and thus imaginatively removing any eternal consequence from their mortal lives accepting this lie potentially into their later immortal lives. Pedophiles can change and remove their sin through a belief in God. Or they can use 3 months as an excuse that they can get away with whatever they want knowing that after they die it doesn't really matter anyways. Which is better?
AdamjEdgar
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also, id like to know how one can genuinely believe and/or follow a founder who conjurs up writings contrary to the bible narrative, a warmongering man with a past where a number of criminal acts which resulted in his killing by an angry mob sick of his antics, has been falsy portrayed as martyrdom? Death of Joseph Smith - Wikipedia
When i read the story of the origins of mormonism, it is clear to me that perhaps that is why it has been considered a cult.
A question, my understanding is that the TV series Battlestar Galactica was created to illustrate the Mormon world view?
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AdamjEdgar
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An interesting bit of trivia about Islam...
I wonder how many muslims (and non-muslims) are aware that Mecca is not in fact the place where that faith originally faced in order to pray? The real place of origin and where Muslims originally faced when they prayed, was in fact the "Lost City of Petra" hundreds of km to the North!
The Muslim faith falsely claims that Mecca was on a trading route. Mecca was never anywhere near any trading route at that time in history!
I don’t know that it was created to illustrate the Mormon world view. Rather, I think the Mormon creator of BSG heavily peppered the series with Mormon mythology.
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What is the official Mormon view on other Prophets since Christ such as Muhammad and Baha’u’llah and what do you believe about the Quran and interfaith.
A few questions if you can kindly answer them each so I know where you stand on these matters particularly Baha’u’llah.
Truth in love
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For my 2 cents
On Muhammad I think this would be more detailed that I can be.
A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad
Alma 29:8 For behold, the Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have; therefore we see that the Lord doth counsel in wisdom, according to that which is just and true.
I believe that many great and wise men are chosen by God to teach truth. Buddha being one of my favorites. I don't know of any specific church teachings about Baha’u’llah. Personally I have a lot of respect for much of what is taught in the Baha'i faith even though there are some differences in belief (gender being eternal vs. just mortal life).