Ask me Anything about Øneness?

[viole]

It was because as written previously, needed a way to make it clearly Zero-Ness; yet as seeing lots of you ended up confused by that as well.

No problem. If you identify what you claim for with zero-ness we might agree more than you think.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Er...what's the POINT of it all?

 

[wizanda]

Er...what's the POINT of it all?

Well that is a massive question; yet simply put....

We're here to learn Oneness, life is one complex multilevel symbiosis; where the more we live in harmony with everything, the better we all feel.

If you identify what you claim for with zero-ness

That when we've identified our self, and realized there is Oneness between all living consciousness...

Then we can remove the selfish aspects, and become Zero-ness (selfless).

 

[viole]

..

Then we can remove the selfish aspects, and become Zero-ness (selfless).

Well, you first. i would love a world of selfless people.

Ciao

- viole

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Thank you for asking such discerning questions, makes me have to question the fundamentals of our understanding.

So it isn't which bits, none of it is from Oneness, the CPU of this reality only outputs truth; the Biblical deception, states righteousness, yet twists the truth so it is obscured to those not pure of heart.

Think you've helped me answer from the previous thread, why there were two aspects i was speaking about...

The CPU in my NDE, and then what ever spoke to me at 15 through the walls of reality; which is most likely the same entity, that has created the Biblical snare, as it clearly has been made by something outside of time.

Because it isn't Oneness, it is separatist; it helps eliminate those that would never accept Oneness....

It almost goes against Oneness by its lack of clarity; yet it does correctly predict, and warn about the whole thing, thus has been allowed by the Divine.

So how would you answer my earlier questions from 0neness (rather than the Bible)?

 

[wizanda]

So how would you answer my earlier questions from 0neness (rather than the Bible)?

Sorry to be specific which questions where you referring to, please?

 

[Shantanu]

Within the center of all consciousness, is a place of Øneness, some call it Heaven, some Nirvana.

It is The Source of the Matrix (A mathematical grid for things to exist within), which is the structuring of our reality.

When people are focused on a single focal point within life, we have a sense of Oneness between us.

There have been scientific experiments showing, that a hive mind between us, can effect machines set on random.

When we within ourselves realize that we are part of Oneness, that the Divine is within us, we can become infused with its qualities, as all logic flows from it.

Now to be precise The Core is in a place beyond unconditional love, and then wisdom, once we've gone beyond all the dimensions of the Matrix.

Some call it God/Brahman/YHVH/Allah; yet it is all names, as language stems from it.

The Dao/Dharma flows from the core of Oneness, and it makes this mathematical reality, that allows us to coexist within.

After recognizing this Oneness within, and then to truly be unconditional love, there is none attachment to self (atman), thus becoming selfless (anatta) as such, .i.e a state Nirvana or Øneness/Zero-ness.

The Core makes no point of being; yet is all things; thus in its selflessness, it achieves ultimate completeness.

Which is the same for us, by surrendering our self's to Oneness, in terms of living to help others before our self... Basically we're one giant hive mind, where some of us have forgotten.

To achieve mastery over our senses, so that we become a Yogic bundle of light; like the Core does, from the negativity some of us strive to create....By learning to transduce the negativity into positivity we radiate Oneness.

The state of Øneness.is to be like an empty bowl ready to be filled; it is in the incompleteness, that it allows us to be a welcome accession to all things.

To access Øneness wisdom is the key, unconditional love is the answer.

Peace

There is something greater than oneness with the Universe or the Consciousness (Brahman) call it what you want: this is oneness with truth. What is truth? Truth means discerning what is right, a fact, and rejecting what is wrong or delusions. All of life is delusional and one struggles to make head or tail of it. With devotion to truth however one can practice truth accommodation as the be-all and end-all of ones existence. When you force yourself down that path, you come to the ultimate reality, and see the human face of God. When one sees a personal God who can guide one then you find yourself living not to oneness but to ethical values in which one follows the righteous path. This makes you a religious person because you think that since there is a God, my actions are important.

 

[wizanda]

oneness with truth.

In this world full of lies; it is far easier to establish the fallacies in a subject first, before trying to establish the truth built upon lies.

We can know Oneness, without needing any facts that could be wrong.

 

[YmirGF]

There is something greater than oneness with the Universe or the Consciousness (Brahman) call it what you want: this is oneness with truth. What is truth? Truth means discerning what is right, a fact, and rejecting what is wrong or delusions.

Though I do respect your right to your own opinion, and I do mean that sincerely, I try to never forget that "truth" is relative to understanding. The "Truth" is much more fluid than most human animals are comfortable admitting. Likewise, I'm a bit leery of becoming one with so-called "truth" as that can easily lead the individual into a narrow-minded, short-sighted sense of self-righteousness. An, "I am Truth. Hear me roar!" kind of thingy.

All of life is delusional and one struggles to make head or tail of it.

Though at one time, I have said the same thing myself, I see it now as being overtly insulting. It is true that many folks are somewhat delusional, as we can readily see from the current US election, LOL, however, the beautiful baby fawn that just ate a bit of apple I tossed to it moments ago is far from delusional. Her little life is dependent on her apprehending life correctly and there is no room for delusions in that fragile existence. I'd suggest the same or similar is true for many of our fellow human animals.

With devotion to truth however one can practice truth accommodation as the be-all and end-all of ones existence.

That does sound a bit on the extreme side. I prefer to tell folks just to be mindful that their actions have consequences. Ignore god. Ignore karma. Just trust yourself and the integrity of your own being. You'll do just fine. I think the key is not to create stresses in life where they need not be. Plus having goals is great, but unrealistic goals can actually come back and bite the individual, in the respect that when one fails to live up to unrealistic expectations, and they will, an unnatural guilt is formed. Unnatural guilt is never good. Natural guilt is another thing altogether.

When you force yourself down that path, you come to the ultimate reality, and see the human face of God.

Been there, done that. Burned the T-shirt and buried it in the back yard. I would never even dream of telling someone to force themselves to do anything like this. You cannot force inner realization. It simply does not work. If anything, it will simply put off your appointment with reality.

If you are meaning this in the sense that one needs a bit of discipline then that is another thing entirely. Human animals thrive on routines. We all do it. The thing is to allow oneself the freedom to spontaneously break from the routine at times, as long as those breaks are not too often while one is getting used to a new routine. Also, drop ideas of "ultimate" as there is only reality, and when one looks towards that human face of god, pay particular attention to those eyes. There is something there, in those eyes, that one will see that will likely forever change their lives. (That is coming from an avowed atheist, by the way, but that's part of the riddle too.)

When one sees a personal God who can guide one then you find yourself living not to oneness but to ethical values in which one follows the righteous path. This makes you a religious person because you think that since there is a God, my actions are important.

Strangely, after my appointment with Infinity, I had a rather different take on things. I've never looked at life, the world, self or reality the same since. I have no aspirations of righteousness. While I do some things "religiously", I am not a religious person, by any definition, because religion is not large enough to contain the experience that is mine to enjoy. If folks love the journey back to god, they will be thrilled when they pass beyond god. That's where the fun really begins.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Sorry to be specific which questions where you referring to, please?

My questions in post #37.

 

[Shantanu]

Though I do respect your right to your own opinion, and I do mean that sincerely, I try to never forget that "truth" is relative to understanding. The "Truth" is much more fluid than most human animals are comfortable admitting. Likewise, I'm a bit leery of becoming one with so-called "truth" as that can easily lead the individual into a narrow-minded, short-sighted sense of self-righteousness. An, "I am Truth. Hear me roar!" kind of thingy.

Though at one time, I have said the same thing myself, I see it now as being overtly insulting. It is true that many folks are somewhat delusional, as we can readily see from the current US election, LOL, however, the beautiful baby fawn that just ate a bit of apple I tossed to it moments ago is far from delusional. Her little life is dependent on her apprehending life correctly and there is no room for delusions in that fragile existence. I'd suggest the same or similar is true for many of our fellow human animals.

That does sound a bit on the extreme side. I prefer to tell folks just to be mindful that their actions have consequences. Ignore god. Ignore karma. Just trust yourself and the integrity of your own being. You'll do just fine. I think the key is not to create stresses in life where they need not be. Plus having goals is great, but unrealistic goals can actually come back and bite the individual, in the respect that when one fails to live up to unrealistic expectations, and they will, an unnatural guilt is formed. Unnatural guilt is never good. Natural guilt is another thing altogether.

Been there, done that. Burned the T-shirt and buried it in the back yard. I would never even dream of telling someone to force themselves to do anything like this. You cannot force inner realization. It simply does not work. If anything, it will simply put off your appointment with reality.

If you are meaning this in the sense that one needs a bit of discipline then that is another thing entirely. Human animals thrive on routines. We all do it. The thing is to allow oneself the freedom to spontaneously break from the routine at times, as long as those breaks are not too often while one is getting used to a new routine. Also, drop ideas of "ultimate" as there is only reality, and when one looks towards that human face of god, pay particular attention to those eyes. There is something there, in those eyes, that one will see that will likely forever change their lives. (That is coming from an avowed atheist, by the way, but that's part of the riddle too.)

Strangely, after my appointment with Infinity, I had a rather different take on things. I've never looked at life, the world, self or reality the same since. I have no aspirations of righteousness. While I do some things "religiously", I am not a religious person, by any definition, because religion is not large enough to contain the experience that is mine to enjoy. If folks love the journey back to god, they will be thrilled when they pass beyond god. That's where the fun really begins.

Truth is the description of reality within which we need to survive, the idea being to always probe out what is going on so that one can take steps to survive and live another day. Nothing else is important. One can acquire all the knowledge of the world but it is at the end of the day the only thing that matters: whether you have survived.

 

[psychoslice]

Of course we are all One, we are all One with the Cosmos, or whatever name you want to call it, most people call it God, but that is a name that really means nothing, what I like to call it is the Source, and we are all One with the Source.......well its that simple really, unless you want to make it complicated, which most do.

 

[wizanda]

Truth is the description of reality within which we need to survive

As saying, we don't learn truth, we learn what not to do wrong, what isn't right, then we have our best estimated guess; those thinking they hold ultimate truth are often deluded in someway.

My questions in post #37.

Your questions within post #37 were all in context of the Biblical prophecies, bit hard to answer them outside of it.... So maybe rephrase the questions, and will try to answer from Oneness. :innocent

 

[Shantanu]

As saying, we don't learn truth, we learn what not to do wrong, what isn't right, then we have our best estimated guess; those thinking they hold truth are often deluded in someway.

You can check whether what you know and do is consonant with the reality that we are subjects of God yet have the freedom of free will at the same time. This means that if we choose to surrender our free will to God He will oblige one with the truth or the righteous actions that one need to take in order to survive in dignity.

 

[wizanda]

This means that if we choose to surrender our free will to God

Which God, which text, which ideology?

There is no way of knowing without first establishing what is false....

Enlightenment is about removing the shrouds of delusion within this reality.

It is possible we're closer to Hell, than Heaven, and therefore everything we've ever known could be upside down.
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[Shantanu]

Which God, which text, which ideology?

There is no way of knowing without first establishing what is false....

Enlightenment is about removing the shrouds of delusion within this reality.

It is possible we're closer to Hell, than Heaven, and therefore everything we've ever known could be upside down.
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One needs to forget about which God, which texts and which idealogy and start with basic principles: ask your self: if there is a God what should God be like and then search to find out whether such a God exists.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Enlightenment is about removing the shrouds of delusion within this reality.

OK, but how is that brought any closer by attaching to a concept of "Oneness" and then creating a complicated DIY religion around it, a jumble of ideas cobbled together in random fashion?

Have you heard of Occams Razor? Or KISS?

 

[wizanda]

a jumble of ideas cobbled together in random fashion?

This isn't random; i was sent from Heaven, and then have had a NDE which confirmed it for me....

Thus I'm then trying to correlate all religious information globally, to see if it holds merit to what I've always known.

but how is that brought any closer by attaching to a concept of "Oneness"

Attaching to the concept is silly, as we can't hold on to water.

It is more that when we understand that the ultimate goal is Øneness, then it is an easy step for many of us to reach.

We can clearly see that things that lead us to more separation, are moving away from Oneness, and thus it is another filter to help us remove shrouds of delusion we might have.

Have you heard of Occams Razor?

Yes, and this is simpler steps with less obstacles, thus it is more logical in my understanding....

If it isn't for you currently, then maybe I've not explained something clear enough, which was the meaning for posting this on here to test it, or that in someway you are applying your own presuppositions to what is being stated.

Or KISS?

Hadn't heard of the KISS principle; yet please let me know where anything is overly complicated?

Considering tho that in the OP I've explained the whole of reality in a paragraph, which think is overly simplified.

 

[atanu]

I guess my confusion is you openly and blatantly accepting something that is logically contradictory, and therefore illogical. You can't have monism AND dualism, it's as simple as the law of identity.

I guess you can, at different levels.

 

[YmirGF]

Truth is the description of reality within which we need to survive, the idea being to always probe out what is going on so that one can take steps to survive and live another day. Nothing else is important. One can acquire all the knowledge of the world but it is at the end of the day the only thing that matters: whether you have survived.

There is that and again, I respect your right to believe what you must, but I've never hemmed myself in with thoughts of so-called "truth". I guess I'm almost on the opposite side of the fence in that I've learned to embrace uncertainty. Uncertainty, by its very nature, keeps me going further and further, because there is always more around the next corner. Truth is like little diamond you find along your inner path. They are beautiful to behold, but they are not the journey. The journey is to move forward into the unknown and not be content with staring at the diamonds in your hand but to keep looking for bigger and better ones. "Survival", to an eternal being, is somewhat meaningless...