Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
I didn't realize we are allowed to change our "Religion" and "Title" labels. Do we need staff approval or approval of members of our DIR's to do this ?
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I didn't realize we are allowed to change our "Religion" and "Title" labels. Do we need staff approval or approval of members of our DIR's to do this ?
I want empowerment and knowledge of Self and the world around me and to help others by encouraging that in them, if they're open to it. I feel that Satan, as an immanent spiritual Force in humanity and as being Promethean in character, is the most appropriate Power to turn to in this endeavor. It's a good balance of Self-ishness and selfless striving to change humanity for the better, as I see it.
I didn't realize we are allowed to change our "Religion" and "Title" labels. Do we need staff approval or approval of members of our DIR's to do this ?
No. You can change it at any time to whatever you want. But I think you were joking.
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What should be my study in my future? ...i am now 19.
Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Uh, why don't you try the online whatever courses website linked in your profile, mr. Bot ?
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Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Sorry for bursting out like this, I wanted to ask something actually (yes, I am stupid, that's what makes life funnier )
Theistic satanist means that you believe Satan and Lilith are beings that exists in this reality. But do you consider Satan/Lucifer/Lilith like beings living in the same plane as human, having some proximity with humankind, that can be summoned, contacted, or can hear humankind ? Or do you consider them as living in a different plane, remote from humanity, where they cannot hear/see/intervene in material human world ?
)Theistic satanist means that you believe Satan and Lilith are beings that exists in this reality. But do you consider Satan/Lucifer/Lilith like beings living in the same plane as human, having some proximity with humankind, that can be summoned, contacted, or can hear humankind ? Or do you consider them as living in a different plane, remote from humanity, where they cannot hear/see/intervene in material human world ?
Sorry for bursting out like this, I wanted to ask something actually (yes, I am stupid, that's what makes life funnier
Not at all. Nothing stupid about it.
I believe that not only are They in contact with humanity, but are parts of us as embedded archetypes that inspire us in certain ways. So They exist within and without.
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Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Like, we are and/or contain a spark of Satan then ?
I like that.
Bwahahahaha, perfect
Thanks for your answer
Yes, indeed. In Left Hand Path terminology, this is often referred to as the Black Flame. It is our higher consciousness, the ability to question, be creative beings and individuate ourselves. It is our self-awareness. I believe that this is a gift of Satan and what makes us so different from all the other animals on this planet. We are not satisfied with the natural course of things like all the other species are. We're creators and destroyers. We're gods in a sense.
Many cultures have teaching and wisdom Gods. I think that Satan is the modern Western guise of this Force/Being. As for Lilith, She is the Ruler of the feminine aspect of Adversarial Self-Actualization. She is the Initiator and the Seducer - the Beguiler. The Child of Satan and Lilith is the Baphomet, the Divine Androgyne that represents perfect balance. So we must to be balanced in all aspects in order to complete our Becoming as Gods.
(Samael is one of Satan's names. The Leviathan in the Hebrew lettering is the Serpent of the Deep and Dark Abyss - the chaotic creative powers of the mind.)
I think archetypes are one way that the Gods communicate with humanity.
I love that graphic. Lol.Bwahahahaha, perfect
You're welcome.
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nazz
Doubting Thomas
Not at all. Nothing stupid about it.
I believe that not only are They in contact with humanity, but are parts of us as embedded archetypes that inspire us in certain ways. So They exist within and without.
In what ways do they manifest?
Revolutions of thought, progressive change, art and creativity, the drive to throw off shackles both literal and metaphorical, etc.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
See I attribute that sort of thing to the deity I believe in. So are we talking about the same deity by different names? To ask in another way how does your conception of Satan differ from the Gnostic conception of the Father?
I don't believe in a transcendent, ultimate and distant god. I'm a polytheist and my beliefs are more influenced by Greco-Roman Paganism than anything else. My concept of Satan/Lucifer is really Prometheus under current cultural trappings.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
So Satan for you is a limited being in other words.
I believe the Father to be both transcendent and immanent. You can't get much more immanent than a human incarnation. But also through the Holy Spirit.
Let's put it this way: I don't believe in an omni-anything being. As I said, my beliefs are mostly influenced by Greco-Roman thought and they didn't believe that the Gods are all-powerful, etc. Satan is but one God out of very many, same as how Lilith is but one Goddess out of very many. I just so happened to accept Satan as my patron God.
Do I think there's a cosmic force or whatever we may call "God"? Probably, but that's closer to pantheism or the Hindu Brahman. I view the cosmos as a bit like a mind that's unfolding and changing. Funny how brain cells look like the universe. As above, so below. The microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm. But as for the personal Gods, I think there's different types but none of them are a cosmic, universal "God".
As for Gnosticism, there are forms of Satanism and Luciferianism influenced by it, especially Luciferianism. Gnostic Luciferianism definitely exists. Some of Gnosticism is very interesting to me and I have strongly considered becoming a Gnostic. I am also influenced by Orphism. But my views on Satan mostly come from aspects of Greco-Roman, Christian and Jewish myth as well as Romantic art and poetry. In terms of the LHP, I probably agree the most with the teachings of the Temple of Set, but I don't use Egyptian trappings. Aleister Crowley is a big influence, as well.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
That's really not much different from what I believe except I do believe in a higher deity. But even the Father is not truly "omni".
That's really not much different from what I believe except I do believe in a higher deity. But even the Father is not truly "omni".
Would you say that the goal is to return to the Father and break the cycle of rebirth? If so, that's probably the main difference in our beliefs.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Yes, absolutely. And one must overcome Satan to do so. So that's a big difference because "Satan" means something quite different to me than you. He's God's adversary and therefore mine as well.
Mmhmm. The Left Hand Path generally opposes the stance that we should seek to unite ourselves to a higher being and instead proposes we should pursue greater individuation and self-empowerment leading to Godhood in our own right. It is anarchistic. Of course, Satan is the ultimate symbol of rebellion against repressive orders and individualism. So even if there was a cosmic "God" that exists out there that we could reach and "return" to, by being united and/or absorbed into it, I would choose not to.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
But in that case there will always be conflict. I seek peace.