Atheism does not mean someone is non-religious

[Jayhawker Soule]

... it's just the foundation so you understand where it's coming from (so understanding the context).

I thought the foundation was semantic freedom.

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheism means non-religious.
Sure, one can hypothesize belief in a religion
with no deities. Perhaps some even exist.
But they're so rare that for all practical
purposes (common discussion), I voted thus.

 

[Echogem222]

I find your "Flawlessism" incomprehensible, especially when you call it a "religion." The word religion itself has 2 possible origins: either religio coming from relegere, or from religare (there are proponents for each).

Religio means respect for sense of right, moral obligation, sanctity, what is sacred, reverence for the gods. If this is taken from relegere, which derives from re (meaning "again") + lego (meaning "read"), where lego is in the sense of "go over", "choose", or "consider carefully", while religare religare: re (meaning "again") + ligare ("bind" or "connect"), which was made prominent by St. Augustine following the interpretation given by Lactantius in Divinae institutiones, IV, 28.

Uh, no, what a religion is, is far more complex than that. If you'd like to know more about this topic, I'd recommend watching this video:

 

[Altfish]

Did you not read my full explanation I gave of Flawlessism? Greater than reality is fully outside of our comprehension, you can't label it as God, Gods, higher power, etc. since it's not 1, 2, etc. in any way. But if it were to interact within reality, it could use an avatar (so sort of like a game avatar in a video game). This avatar could be called a higher power, but not fully, as it's source would be outside of reality, it would be like a puppet on strings, but the "puppet master" would be fully outside of your comprehension. In other words, you could not truly call it a higher power, because the whole of it can't be comprehended, and it can't really be called a whole, but greater than a whole.

I still think you are in the realm of supernatural controlling mind, therefore you are not an atheist. IMHO.

 

[Echogem222]

I still think you are in the realm of supernatural controlling mind, therefore you are not an atheist. IMHO.

That's not how you debate someone, if debating meant stating your subjective opinion with zero evidence, no one would convince anyone of anything. And you're not just saying your opinion, because you are stating that I am not an atheist. If you're going to make that claim, then you need to provide evidence.

You said I'm still in the realm of a supernatural controlling mind, ok, explain why.

 

[LuisDantas]

Satanism is a Secular religion, mine is non-secular.

Not sure it.makes sense to talk of that.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

Then what else would it mean? Atheist means that a person has no belief in any God, and thus have no investment to any particular religious or spiritual path. I've heard them say it often enough themselves. I suppose atheistic Satanists might count, but they usually have their own socio-philosophical agendas going on.

 

[ChristineM]

Atheism is disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Are there any godless religions?

 

[Quintessence]

Words get in the way of a lot things, sometimes.

In spite of what I marked in the poll, in truth I don't believe any human lacks the substance behind words like "gods" or "religion" in their lives. It's endemic to the species. All humans engage in value judgements, and value judgements are the root of gods - they are the things identified as deeply valued or very important. Humans are value-making animals and they all have things they deeply value regardless of the superficial word/thing slapped on top of it. All humans also engage with profound existential questions, and those questions are the root of religions. Humans are meaning-making animals and they all tell stories about the nature of themselves and others, about relationships, about what should be or used to be or will be, and on and on. Value and meaning. We all do it. Too often these words "gods" and "religion" just get in the way of that common endeavor. It's unfortunate.

 

[Echogem222]

Atheism is disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Are there any godless religions?

I literally explained mine just below the poll, in the opening post of this thread.

 

[Echogem222]

Then what else would it mean? Atheist means that a person has no belief in any God, and thus have no investment to any particular religious or spiritual path. I've heard them say it often enough themselves. I suppose atheistic Satanists might count, but they usually have their own socio-philosophical agendas going on.

Did you not read my opening post below the poll where I explained how I believe in a non-secular religion which is also atheist??

 

[ChristineM]

I literally explained mine just below the poll, in the opening post of this thread.

Yes, but what about the question...

Given the generally accepted definition of religion...
Are there any godless religions?

 

[Echogem222]

Yes, but what about the question...

Given the generally accepted definition of religion...
Are there any godless religions?

Mine (Flawlessism) IS a Godless religion.

 

[ChristineM]

Mine (Flawlessism) IS a Godless religion.

I have googled godless religion and got nothing relevant.

Is it registered as a religion or is it your personal view.

There are some great tax breaks for registered religions.

 

[Echogem222]

I have googled godless religion and got nothing relevant.

Google, Flawlessism, not godless religion. Nowhere in Flawlessism does it label itself as a Godless religion, in fact, there are two sects to Flawlessism, the atheist sect and the theist sect, the theist sect I don't believe in, but it's basically just adding in God, Gods, etc. into Flawlessism.

Is it registered as a religion or is it your personal view.

There are some great tax breaks for registered religions.

Why does it matter if it's registered or not?? You don't seem to understand what religions even are, so here is a short video (about 15 minutes) which explains what religions are:

 

[ChristineM]

Google, Flawlessism, not godless religion. Nowhere in Flawlessism does it label itself as a Godless religion, in fact, there are two sects to Flawlessism, the atheist sect and the theist sect, the theist sect I don't believe in, but it's basically just adding in God, Gods, etc. into Flawlessism.


Why does it matter if it's registered or not?? You don't seem to understand what religions even are, so here is a short video (about 15 minutes) which explains what religions are:

Jolly good

Why it matters if its registered is, as i said TAX BREAKS.
So please dont insult me.

 

[Koldo]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism. The way this is done is that Flawlessism teaches that all of reality is everything we can comprehend even just a little, meaning that even infinity is within reality because we can understand it goes on forever. But the cause of reality is not within reality, therefore the cause of reality can't be defined as singular, plural, or even infinite in any way, preventing it from being labeled as God, Gods, etc. even if it were to interact with us in this world using an avatar of sorts or something like that, as that would just be part of something which is outside of our comprehension. And as for why it can't be logically argued that there exists anything greater than this "greater than reality" is because it is "greater than infinite" in every way, so for there to be something greater than it, and greater than what is greater than it, etc. would be a set of infinity, and even if you were to cut it off and do less than that, it would still be a set of numbers, which is something we can comprehend. This, however, does not imply that we can actually comprehend what is greater than reality, but we are instead understanding the limitations of our reality.

As for why I'm making this a poll, is because this is a debate thread, therefore if you object to my religion being Atheist, then explain why after voting so the people joining in know what's going on before debating (you can change your vote if you end up changing your mind later).

Edit: As for how all of reality came to be, before reality existed it was a non-cause, but once reality took enough form, it became a cause (only within reality though).

I see religion on terms of a set of beliefs and practices that have a major connection with the supernatural. It is possible to believe in the supernatural without believing in any gods. Therefore, it is possible to be religious and atheist. This particular mix, however, is fairly... unusual.

As for your religion, I simply didn't understand what it is all about. Therefore, I find myself unable to provide further input.

 

[Nakosis]

Satanism is a Secular religion, mine is non-secular.

I see, do you have a reference to Satanism being secular?

 

[LuisDantas]

Atheism is disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Are there any godless religions?

I would say so, yes. But "non-secular religion" is either a confused term or a pleonasm.

 

[InChrist]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism. The way this is done is that Flawlessism teaches that all of reality is everything we can comprehend even just a little, meaning that even infinity is within reality because we can understand it goes on forever. But the cause of reality is not within reality, therefore the cause of reality can't be defined as singular, plural, or even infinite in any way, preventing it from being labeled as God, Gods, etc. even if it were to interact with us in this world using an avatar of sorts or something like that, as that would just be part of something which is outside of our comprehension. And as for why it can't be logically argued that there exists anything greater than this "greater than reality" is because it is "greater than infinite" in every way, so for there to be something greater than it, and greater than what is greater than it, etc. would be a set of infinity, and even if you were to cut it off and do less than that, it would still be a set of numbers, which is something we can comprehend. This, however, does not imply that we can actually comprehend what is greater than reality, but we are instead understanding the limitations of our reality.

As for why I'm making this a poll, is because this is a debate thread, therefore if you object to my religion being Atheist, then explain why after voting so the people joining in know what's going on before debating (you can change your vote if you end up changing your mind later).

Edit: As for how all of reality came to be, before reality existed it was a non-cause, but once reality took enough form, it became a cause (only within reality though).

I checked not sure. I don’t necessarily think of atheism as a religion, rather a worldview. Nevertheless, I think atheists can be just as dogmatic in their thinking and beliefs as any religious person.