Atheism produces little hope

[shunyadragon]

Let's say this another way, for atheism not being a belief.

Simple question, Is off a TV channel?

Turning the TV off and on, is not a parallel of making ones choice of which philosophical nor theological belief to choose.

Atheism is not based on objective verifiable empirical evidence is based on a belief choose that God(s) do not exists.

From: Belief - Wikipedia
"Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something to be the case with or without there being empirical evidence to prove that something is the case with factual certainty."

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Turning the TV off and on, is not a parallel of making ones choice of which philosophical nor theological belief to choose.

Atheism is not based on objective verifiable empirical evidence is based on a belief choose that God(s) do not exists.

From: Belief - Wikipedia
"Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something to be the case with or without there being empirical evidence to prove that something is the case with factual certainty."

I don't agree that belief is chosen at all. Rather that terms like methodological naturalism, et al are descriptive, not prescriptive.
Also, this might be of use, if we want to talk about theological categorization of atheism:
Negative and positive atheism - Wikipedia

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Plain and simple atheism, based on the philosophy of Philosophical Naturalism.

I decided I was an atheist before I'd ever reached a decision about the supernatural. So it's difficult for me to see my atheism (which is indeed plain and simple) as being based off anything other than a lack of belief in God(s).

By definition claiming to be an atheist is atheism

Sure. But to think that my view of the world is contained by the word 'atheism' is ridiculous. Atheism is far, far smaller than the entirety of my world view.

I believe you are conflating other worldviews and philosophies with being an atheist.

I seriously doubt that. Atheism means very little to me.

The philosophy of Methodological Naturalism (MN) has nothing to do with atheism nor ones decision to be an atheist. MN is simply and matter of fact Neutral to any other philosophical nor theological beliefs.

Agreed. I'm still trying to work out what point you are trying to make with all this.

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheism produces little hope

Does one mean that Atheism produces no hope, please?
Regards

 

[Jesster]

Atheism produces little hope

Does one mean that Atheism produces no hope, please?
Regards

Atheism doesn't produce anything, just like not believing in bigfoot doesn't produce anything.

Most atheists find their philisophical groundings elsewhere, while still remaining atheists. For example, I'm a humanist.

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheism doesn't produce anything, just like not believing in bigfoot doesn't produce anything.

Most atheists find their philisophical groundings elsewhere, while still remaining atheists. For example, I'm a humanist.

To love humanity is a commonality with revealed religions and Atheism/Agnosticism, no revealed religion hates humanity. Right, please/

Regards

 

[Jesster]

To love humanity is a commonality with revealed religions and Atheism/Agnosticism, no revealed religion hates humanity. Right, please/

Regards

I would hope everyone loves humanity, but I haven't seen that to be entirely true.

But besides that point, there is more to the humanist philosophy beyond the general "love of humanity" that I find myself in agreement with. It's more complex than that simple line.

This should be enough to answer where atheists can get any worldview from, though. Atheism isn't the source of any of it, since it's not a belief in anything. There's always more that can be layered on in addition to that.

 

[paarsurrey]

I would hope everyone loves humanity, but I haven't seen that to be entirely true.

But besides that point, there is more to the humanist philosophy beyond the general "love of humanity" that I find myself in agreement with. It's more complex than that simple line.

This should be enough to answer where atheists can get any worldview from, though. Atheism isn't the source of any of it, since it's not a belief in anything. There's always more that can be layered on in addition to that.

Please elaborate one's point of view anything positive on "there is more to the humanist philosophy" and what the revealed religion does not have it.

Regards

 

[Jesster]

Please elaborate one's point of view anything positive on "there is more to the humanist philosophy" and what the revealed religion does not have it.

Regards

I'd hate to just sum it up here in as few words as I could provide. I could provide a link to further reading if you're interested, though.

What Is Secular Humanism? - Council for Secular Humanism

There's several pages of details under the "about secular humanism" tab there.

 

[paarsurrey]

I'd hate to just sum it up here in as few words as I could provide. I could provide a link to further reading if you're interested, though.

What Is Secular Humanism? - Council for Secular Humanism

Just give the most outstanding point from them, if there is one, which the truthful revealed religion does not have.

Regards

 

[Jesster]

Just give the most outstanding point from them, if there is one, which the truthful revealed religion does not have.

Regards

No. I'm not reducing it to a few key points. I feel like that would diminish its meaning. The website provided explains things far better than I could, anyway. If you want the best source of information, go to the source that explains it best.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Just give the most outstanding point from them, if there is one, which the truthful revealed religion does not have.

Regards

No. I'm not reducing it to a few key points. I feel like that would diminish its meaning. The website provided explains things far better than I could, anyway. If you want the best source of information, go to the source that explains it best.

Anybody else from the Humanism people, please.
Regards

 

[Jesster]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Just give the most outstanding point from them, if there is one, which the truthful revealed religion does not have.

Regards


Anybody else from the Humanism people, please.
Regards

I read what you said, but I don't dance on command. I'm just trying to provide the best source of information on this topic available I'm aware of without muddying it up with my own clumsy typing. If you're actually interested, you'll take it. If you're not interested, I'm not sure why you're asking.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't agree that belief is chosen at all. Rather that terms like methodological naturalism, et al are descriptive, not prescriptive.

Chosen?!?!?! Are negating Free Will as a matter of choice. You cannot compare methodological naturalism with a philosophical/theological choice concerning the existence of God(s), and other beliefs of worlds beyond our physical world.

Also, this might be of use, if we want to talk about theological categorization of atheism:
Negative and positive atheism - Wikipedia

I consider this description of the gray areas of human belief, but do not negate the fact that atheists in one way or another do not believe in God(s). Also this may be further complicated by some beliefs of Oriental 'atheism' where some sort spiritual realms in Shinto and some sects of Buddhism, such as the belief in kami in Shinto. though recently the mythical view of kami as spiritual, from ancient Shinto animism, is less popular, and the concept of kami has evolved into simply attributes of all things in our physical existence.

 

[shunyadragon]

I decided I was an atheist before I'd ever reached a decision about the supernatural. So it's difficult for me to see my atheism (which is indeed plain and simple) as being based off anything other than a lack of belief in God(s).

Sure. But to think that my view of the world is contained by the word 'atheism' is ridiculous. Atheism is far, far smaller than the entirety of my world view.

I seriously doubt that. Atheism means very little to me.

Agreed. I'm still trying to work out what point you are trying to make with all this.

Atheism is not as narrow as you may think. It ranges from the hard determinist hard core materialist atheists to Oriental atheists that believe in spiritual worlds without God(s). They all remain variations of atheism.

It remains that and atheist is a believer in atheism of one form or another, and has nothing to do with Methodological Naturalism, and a philosophical naturalist position.

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheism is not as narrow as you may think. It ranges from the hard determinist hard core materialist atheists to Oriental atheists that believe in spiritual worlds without God(s). They all remain variations of atheism.

It remains that and atheist is a believer in atheism of one form or another, and has nothing to do with Methodological Naturalism, and a philosophical naturalist position.

The one thing all of us (atheists) have in common is the lack of belief in gods.
All other things are up for grabs. one could be spiritual or material, prefer bacon
or Fakin', drink spirits or believe in them, etc, etc.
So we're well aware of the great diversity of other beliefs in our big tent.

 

[shunyadragon]

The one thing all of us (atheists) have in common is the lack of belief in gods.
All other things are up for grabs. So we're well aware of the great diversity of
other beliefs in our big tent.

Not really clear by everyone posting in this thread. @lewisnotmiller specifically presented a foggy view.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not really clear by everyone posting in this thread. @lewisnotmiller specifically presented a foggy view.

Not all of us heathens are perfect....yet.

 

[shunyadragon]

Not all of us heathens are perfect....yet.

I do not consider atheists heathens, nor anybody as close to perfect. In fact I consider the atheist/agnostic worldviews more logical and reasonable than ancient worldviews like Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Though I consider agnosticism the stronger philosophical position.

 

[Jesster]

I do not consider atheists heathens, nor anybody as close to perfect. In fact I consider the atheist/agnostic worldviews more logical and reasonable than ancient worldviews like Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Though I consider agnosticism the stronger philosophical position.

You realize that it's possible to be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time, right? That's my position.