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Atheists have faith.

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A Baha'i dies and is met at the Gates of Heaven by St. Peter...they tiptoe past one more door..the Baha'i asks, "What's in there, and why do we have to be so quiet?"
"Ah," St. Peter says. "That's where the Christians live. They like to think they're the only ones up here."


Congrats mate, I thought you nonchristians and atheists hadn't got a sense of humour..:)
Sure there are many rooms in heaven but they're all reserved for Christians-
"My Father’s house has many rooms..I am going there to prepare a place for you..and I will come back and take you to be with me You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:2/6)

I mean, Jesus only wants his CHUMS up there with him.:)

"You're my friends if you follow me. I don't call you servants, but I call you friends"- (John 15:15)

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Check out my ratings, you seem good at checking me out, over 5000 funny frubals...


Sure, your mates in the Feminist DIR subforum might think you're funny, here are a couple of pics that might make them giggle..:)-

1- A woman in California goes into a church and pushes Jesus over-

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2- A Russian bird in Kiev chainsaws him down-

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Wonder which of these bits they don't like?-

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
"Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love.." (Ecc 9:9)
"Control yourselves honourably, not in lust like the heathens" (1 Thess 4:4/5)
Jesus said "Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matt 5:28 )


Below: Jesus rescues an adulteress from the mob-

 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Sure, your mates in the Feminist DIR subforum might think you're funny, here are a couple of pics that might make them giggle..:)-

1- A woman in California goes into a church and pushes Jesus over-

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2- A Russian bird in Kiev chainsaws him down-

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Wonder which of these bits they don't like?-

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
"Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love.." (Ecc 9:9)
"Control yourselves honourably, not in lust like the heathens" (1 Thess 4:4/5)
Jesus said "Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matt 5:28 )


Below: Jesus rescues an adulteress from the mob-


Not that funny. The American girl looks drunk, and the Russian GIRL* appears to have help from a "geezer"

* For your information this is a bird
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Just in case you didn't know

And your last one, i trully didn't realize they had video cameras 2000 years ago but hey if you believe it then ok...
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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I do not see I have declined, it was in the opening OP, the quote gives the concept. "All humanity must obtain a livelihood by sweat of the brow and bodily exertion, at the same time seeking to lift the burden of others, striving to be the source of comfort to souls and facilitating the means of living. This in itself is devotion to God. Bahá’u’lláh has thereby encouraged action and stimulated service." So it is offered if a person in life lives by that advice, then that in itself is faith based actions, even if that is not acknowledged.

That's not a definition of faith. It's not a definition of any kind. Nor was I aware that you thought it was.

Looking at the last 2-3 pages of this thread, I saw multiple posters telling you the same. A definition is a group of words (definiendum) that can substitute for the word or phrase being defined (definiens). So, a definition of atheist is one with no belief in gods. I can rewrite the sentence, "I ran into someone who was an atheist" as, "I ran into somebody with no belief in gods" by simple substitution.

What makes you think that I have respect for unjustifiable faith?

The phrase I used was unjustified belief, which is a chief definition of faith, another being justified belief, and a third being a system of religious belief such as the Baha'i faith. None of these are actions, which your definition emphasizes.

The definition closest to a behavior would be the one that is meant by good or bad faith, since "acted in" often precedes it, but still, it is the state of mind that leads to that behavior that is being referred to.

And finally, Faith is a girls name, and just as you would be inviting ambiguity and confusion into your home if you named and called two daughters Faith, we see this same ambiguity and chaos when we call both justified and unjustified belief by the same name, which is why I explained that I only call unjustified belief faith to avoid that.

I don't think you support unjustified belief, at least not knowingly, although to me, religious beliefs are that if they include gods and afterlives. I assume that you consider those beliefs justified.

"The Essence of Faith is fewness of words and abundance of deeds". Baha'u'llah. That will be the definition I use now.

People will still not understand what you mean when you write faith. Christians go out of their way to distinguish between what they call faith and works. You conflate them, and put the emphasis on the works, the same behavior seen in some people with no faith, just empathy and benevolence.

Furthermore, your definition doesn't address faith in wrong ideas.

An undesirable consequence of calling faith what others would call good will or volunteerism is that you barely got to discuss whatever it is that you had in mind when you started this thread. Instead, you were contending with the confusion caused by your use of the word faith.
 

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..i trully didn't realize they had video cameras 2000 years ago but hey if you believe it then ok...


There's photo evidence too, here Jesus rescues a naughty girl from the mob..:)-

"On yer bikes you numpties, she's with me! Hold your head up baby"
"Thanks JC, shall we go for a pizza?"


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You try living in a world where the majority are all a bit loopy - in their own special way. :oops:


Funny you should say that mate, because as a kid I overheard my dad saying to my mam about me - "He's nutty! No don't laugh, I really do mean it, he wastes all his pocket money on silly plastic model aeroplanes then hangs 'em on string from his bedroom ceiling in full view of the street, I dread to think what the neighbours are saying about him, when's he going to start saving his money instead?"
(Huh, perhaps he'd have preferred me to join the local street gang and run wild instead of sitting quietly up in my room building models)
I got my own back though, I filled his radio with sand from a builders yard down the road and rofl'd at his bewildered expression when he tried to tune in the Clay-Liston fight but all he got were electrical crackles and splutters. Hehe :)
Then the sand began pouring out in torrents like an Indiana Jones temple and he freaked, "I don't believe it!" he yelled, "its full of bleddy sand, how the hell did that get in there?" Needless to say, I innocently denied all knowledge of it..
He's been dead now 40 years but I wonder what he'd say if he knew I still buy models, i've currently got my eye on this one down the model shop, hmm looks good-

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The things that religionists will believe if it suits their mindset


WHOA, Jesus is not a religion, he's JESUS, and he's looking for pals, here he chats to the woman at the well in John ch 4 to give her some comfort because she's had 5 husbands and a boyfriend-

 

Trailblazer

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Congrats mate, I thought you nonchristians and atheists hadn't got a sense of humour..:)
Sure there are many rooms in heaven but they're all reserved for Christians-
Lol, spoken like a true Christian. :D
The problem is that the Baha'i Writings say something different. :);)

"To 'get to heaven' as you say is dependent on two things--faith in the Manifestation of God in His Day, in other words in this age in Bahá'u'lláh; and good deeds, in other words living to the best of our ability a noble life and doing unto others as we would be done by. But we must always remember that our existence and everything we have or ever will have is dependent upon the mercy of God and His bounty, and therefore He can accept into His heaven, which is really nearness to Him, even the lowliest if He pleases. We always have the hope of receiving His mercy if we reach out for it."

(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, January 12, 1957)

Lights of Guidance (second part): A Bahá'í Reference File
 
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