Atheists - how did you come to be?

[LuisDantas]

Or perhaps the only one who recognizes it in himself.

Tell me more. How do you picture a dualist atheist?

 

[Willamena]

Tell me more. How do you picture a dualist atheist?

I picture him no different than every other dualist of the mind-body kind: exercising free will; asserting individuality; allowing that others have "made him angry" or "made him do" things. Anyone who allows for mind to be a "realm" type of object is such a dualist.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Or perhaps the only one who recognizes it in himself.

Actually, I don't know. The word 'dualism' might not be the right word for what I'm trying to explain, I really think our language might not always fit what we are trying to explain, which would explain why throughout history they constantly augmented it with loan words.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I picture him no different than every other dualist of the mind-body kind: exercising free will; asserting individuality; allowing that others have "made him angry" or "made him do" things. Anyone who allows for mind to be a "realm" type of object is such a dualist.

Good point, one should also mention that you probably cannot have freewill without dualism.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You mention a good point.

However the truthful Religion is not mythical, it is an exception.

Thanks

The truthful religion is probably yet to be discovered through assiduous scientific delineation.

 

[LuisDantas]

I picture him no different than every other dualist of the mind-body kind: exercising free will; asserting individuality; allowing that others have "made him angry" or "made him do" things. Anyone who allows for mind to be a "realm" type of object is such a dualist.

You lost me at "free will". It is always a puzzle to me what that expression is supposed to mean, let alone how it would work in practice.

 

[LuisDantas]

The truthful religion is probably yet to be discovered through assiduous scientific delineation.

Gosh. You are a positivist!

 

[Willamena]

You lost me at "free will". It is always a puzzle to me what that expression is supposed to mean, let alone how it would work in practice.

Fair enough.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

1. What do you mean by transcendant?

and

2. Why must there be something transcendant?

Souls do not exist at this time

What you are advocating is a logical fallacy known as an argument from ignorance.

I was asking why you think consciousness is transcendant?

Tell me more. How do you picture a dualist atheist?

Alright, so none of you believe in any transcendent element, any kind of dualism, if I understand your all of your perspectives correctly here? You would all name me a theist perhaps, well if so, in that case I would say that you all prescribe to physicalism.

Now, the Merriam-webster dictionary states that what is physical "relates to the body of the person instead of the mind."

By not believing anything whatsoever is transcendent, you render the word "physical" null and void, it does need to indicate anything. Yes that means your thoughts are physical, your mind is physical, anything existing in any form, perceptible or imperceptible, measurable or not, experiential or mental, everything is physical. So the very dictionary definition of that word you might as well scrap, along with the word itself. The word was originally put in place to actually delineate certain things as being physical, but no longer need it, it covers every available space.

 

[LuisDantas]

Alright, so none of you believe in any transcendent element, any kind of dualism,

Transcendence I value, although I don't think it is a good idea to personify or deify it. Dualism I find counterproductive.

if I understand your all of your perspectives correctly here? You would all name me a theist perhaps,

Perhaps. I'm honestly not sure.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The only way you could stop coming to be is if there was never again a seat to be filled.

So is it like musical chairs then?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Am I the only one who hath realized that you must be crazy to understand what is being said here?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Transcendence I value, although I don't think it is a good idea to personify or deify it. Dualism I find counterproductive.

Then I don't understand how you grasp it. I think that evolution built the ability for transcendence in a human to enhance sense experience, and that object it built or become endowed with is the dualist core.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

So is it like musical chairs then?

It's called scientific reincarnation. Simple reincarnation without karma.

 

[LuisDantas]

It's called scientific reincarnation. Simple reincarnation without karma.

Ok, count me out of that idea.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Simple reincarnation without karma.

So you just get reborn for all eternity and sometimes pop up as an atheist? I don't understand the OP.

 

[LuisDantas]

Then I don't understand how you grasp it. I think that evolution built the ability for transcendence in a human to enhance sense experience, and that object it built or become endowed with is the dualist core.

Evolution is a biological phenomenom. It can't create such an ability. At most, it can conceivably enable it, which IMO is something else entirely.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Am I the only one who hath realized that you must be crazy to understand what is being said here?

I must be crazy to understand them, or they must be crazy to understand me? This stuff isn't too far out when thinking of the bigger picture, I think.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

At most, it can conceivably enable it, which IMO is something else entirely.

Whether endowed or created, these are just two sides of the same coin. That's just a cataract of this debate which could go either way to me.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

So you just get reborn for all eternity and sometimes pop up as an atheist? I don't understand the OP.

Indeed.

You have no control over being born, or reborn.