Atheists: If God existed would God……

[CG Didymus]

Who or what set the evolutionary process in motion?

And did God put it into motion and then walked away and thought, "There, things should be okay for a few billion years. I'll check back later. See how things are going." Baha'is should probably think about adding Satan back into the mix, so that they have a fall guy.

 

[John53]

I'm glad atheists ask the hard questions. Too long religious leaders have essentially forced their beliefs on people. Baha'is try to be a little nicer about, but they're still saying that what they believe is "The Truth"... and that makes it something that deserves to be questioned.

Sorry I haven't replied to your posts but there's nothing I can really contribute other than, I agree.

 

[CG Didymus]

Exactly. Sweet irony!

Strange and ironic that Baha'is say they are trying to bring peace to the world. They're just another religion that thinks it has the only truth.

 

[CG Didymus]

Sorry I haven't replied to your posts but there's nothing I can really contribute other than, I agree.

Oh, that's okay. I'm sorry that I have to resort to using the posts of others to throw in my two cents. I can't respond directly to TB. It gets ugly fast. I do love the threads she starts, though. They always get people going.

 

[Trailblazer]

And that's what he is asking you to explain. How hard is it to understand? Asking a question isn't claiming that is what you believe. It's asking you!!!

I have explained it over and over and over and over again, yet my explanation is not accepted. It is either ignored or rejected.

 

[Trailblazer]

Strange and ironic that Baha'is say they are trying to bring peace to the world. They're just another religion that thinks it has the only truth.

That is not true. Baha'is do not believe we have the only truth from God, we believe that we have the latest truth from God. I am surprised that you don't know that given all the years you have been conversing with Baha'is on this forum.

It is the Christians who believe they have the only truth from God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then there can be very little discussion.

There can be discussion about God without blaming God.
In fact, atheists might actually learn something about God if they would listen to believers.

 

[CG Didymus]

All this time, and that's what you understand??

There's lots more I said. But I think that one statement is true. Like I've said before, it's just like Fundy Christians that everything comes down to the Bible being the inerrant word of God. Everything for a Baha'i comes down to what the Baha'i writings say. Nothing wrong with that... if you're a Baha'i. But, if not, and you are an atheist, what would be the first question you ask? More than likely, "Can you prove, objectively, that God exists." If science and religion agree, then shouldn't there be some objective evidence? If all Baha'is can say in the end is that they "believe", they have "faith" in God and Baha'u'llah as being true, then what do Baha's expect the response from atheists is going to be?

Again, the Baha'is demand that a person investigates the truth for themselves. Baha'is say that science and religion go hand and hand. Without science, religion falls into a bunch of superstitious beliefs. What atheists have shown to Baha'is... is that their belief in God and in his messengers is unprovable scientifically.

Baha'is have to believe and accept that the God, as defined by the Baha'i Faith, is real, and that Baha'u'llah is his messenger. What can they say that hasn't already been said? All their arguments have to come back to, "Because Baha'u'llah said so, and we believe he is a true messenger of God, and therefore, everything he says is the absolute truth."

 

[Trailblazer]

The question is, is God responsible for seems to be probablistic. Who knows? My son is autistic and can't even talk at 33. Even if he did indirectly cause that, I don't hold a grudge against Him for that. Maybe He is responsible, but he's a sweet kid. I know, this is different than cancer where there is a painful death, but for the person that dies, there is eventually an end to his suffering on earth, then infinity of time after that. For the ones left behind, like probably @Trailblazer, there is grief. That's something different. This will be a difficult time for her. There will be friends like me, and local friends that will help her afterwards. Eventually we all die, and we sail off to an infinity of time after that.

And I thank God for people like you and the doctor who was managing his stay at the hospital this week. He just talked to me for over two hours on the phone and he was apologizing to me for not having understood my position sooner. I am not trying to keep Lewis alive for myself, I just want to do all I can do for Lewis. We had a plan for that but Lewis has declined any further treatment so it is out of my hands. I am accepting that.

I explained everything that happened to Lewis and he had all the records and was verifying them. This doctor suspects that the health care team dropped the ball and misdiagnosed and mismanaged Lewis' case. Lewis did not have to die. That is what is so painful. He agrees I should pursue litigation and do even more. He told me exactly what I have to do now to try to get justice. I can explain more about that in our conversation or on the phone.

 

[John53]

I have explained it over and over and over and over again, yet my explanation is not accepted. It is either ignored or rejected.

So in retaliation of that you falsely accuse atheists of blaming God? I'm not saying that's the case I'm asking a question.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are right, but why does a two year old child gets leukemia?

Ask the oncologist. He may or may not know.

 

[Trailblazer]

So in retaliation of that you falsely accuse atheists of blaming God?

Retaliation for what?
I am not falsely accusing them since that is what many of them do. It is splattered all over the forum.
Open your eyes and you will see.

 

[John53]

There can be discussion about God without blaming God.
In fact, atheists might actually learn something about God if they would listen to believers.

Well for me it's to try and understand why anyone could possibly believe in a God especially the God of the old testament.

 

[CG Didymus]

Strange and ironic that Baha'is say they are trying to bring peace to the world. They're just another religion that thinks it has the only truth.

For any Baha'i, What other religion in the world today has the correct truth, practices and teachings from God, other than Baha'is?

 

[Trailblazer]

Well for me it's to try and understand why anyone could possibly believe in a God especially the God of the old testament.

I do not believe that the Old Testament represents the real God. I believe it is anthropomorphism.

 

[John53]

Retaliation for what?
I am not falsely accusing them since that is what many of them do. It is splattered all over the forum.
Open your eyes and you will see.

Open your eyes and you will see they are asking a question not claiming God is responsible for anything. Each time we have a conversation it seems to return to this discussion. Atheists lack belief in any God so blaming a God for anything is impossible. However asking a believer about their God is valid especially when they have asked for atheists to contribute in the thread title!

 

[Trailblazer]

For any Baha'i, What other religion in the world today has the correct truth, practices and teachings from God, other than Baha'is?

No other religion have the CURRENT teachings from God since none of the older religions have the latest message from God. Furthermore, all the older religions have been corrupted by man.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 171

 

[John53]

I do not believe that the Old Testament represents the real God. I believe it is anthropomorphism.

I hope it doesn't represent a real God. We're all in for a tough after life if it does.

 

[Trailblazer]

Open your eyes and you will see they are asking a question not claiming God is responsible for anything.

Open your eyes and see that some atheists are holding God responsible for everything they don't like, namely all the suffering in the world.

 

[Trailblazer]

I hope it doesn't represent a real God. We're all in for a tough after life if it does.

No worries. We will all be judged not only by our belief in God but alos by our deeds.
By the prayers of others and the mercy of God atheists can come to recognize God in the next world.