KWED
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At a guess, 9.8 metres per second per second (or 9.8N/kg if you prefer)
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Atheists: If God existed would God……
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KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Not so. Islam is growing faster than other groups because of a higher birth rate amongst Muslim women.
Again, not true. Hinuism and Jainism are both growing faster than Christianity, despite being much older.
And atheism grew at twice that rate.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
It's what the Quran says...
"On the Day of Judgment, the believers will laugh at the disbelievers while reclining on couches"
RAYYAN
Proud Muslim
Let's just agree.....
Our belief doesn't make something exist or doesn't exist..... Good?
ppp
Well-Known Member
RAYYAN
Proud Muslim
Good
and that is what I have been saying too (mis understanding I think)
Two of you keep repeating this point. I wonder why. Is somebody stating otherwise, that if they don't believe something (or in the case of the other poster, even if unproven), that it can't or doesn't exist?
All you are saying here is the tautology that if something exists, it exists. Also, if something doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. Obviously, belief doesn't change either of those, and with nobody claiming otherwise, why have I read these comments at least a half dozen times on the last several pages of this thread?
Critical thinkers are trying to determine which statements about reality are correct and can be believed. This is done empirically. Tautology adds nothing to that.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, because I do not believe that atheists will go to hell, and even if I did believe that it would not be something to laugh about but rather it would be something to be sad about.
In short, I meant that it is the believers who will have the last laugh since we know that God exists.
Atheists can laugh us to scorn but that won't last forever because when you die you will discover that we were right. Well, I cannot say you will know there is a God, but you will know you are not dead so you will know that some of what believers have been saying was right.
If all I cared about was getting to heaven I would not be posting to atheists so much since that is not a requirement for me to get to heaven. This is not a game for me that I am trying to win, I am right and you are wrong, as that would be egotistical. Rather, it is my heart's desire that atheists come to believe that God exists. At the same time I realize that free will is sacrosanct, and as Baha'u'llah wrote, the faith of no man can be conditioned by anyone except himself.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That might be true but since the year 2000, religion has made resurgence whereas atheism and agnosticism are on the decline.
The growth rates of the Abrahamic religions from 1910-2010 were as follows: Judaism .11%, Christianity 1.32%, Islam 1.97%, and Baha’i Faith 3.54%.
Atheism was growing at a rate of 6.54% from 1910-2010 but dropped to a growth rate of 0.05% from 2000-2010. Agnosticism was growing at a rate of 5.45% from 1910-2010 but dropped to a growth rate of 0.32% from 2000-2010. That demonstrates that both atheism and agnosticism are on the decline but also that there are many more agnostics than atheists.
Statistics from: Growth of religion - Wikipedia
Atheism growing? No, atheism is actually on the decline!
16 March 2016, 07:56
Atheism is not growing despite what atheists may say. Real surveys and statistics say atheism is on the decline worldwide. Sorry atheists but atheism is not on the rise nor is it winning. It's still the minority and a declining one at that.
The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.
This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.
Sources:
The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050
Religiously Unaffiliated
China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years
http://masterrussian.com/russia/facts.htm
Atheism growing? No, atheism is actually on the decline!
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not know what verse that is but Baha'is do not share that sentiment since we do not hold ourselves as 'better' than anyone just because we are believers.
Also, it is not in accordance with our beliefs that God loves everyone, whether that person is a believer or not.
"How ignorant therefore the thought that God who created man, educated and nurtured him, surrounded him with all blessings, made the sun and all phenomenal existence for his benefit, bestowed upon him tenderness and kindness, and then did not love him. This is palpable ignorance, for no matter to what religion a man belongs even though he be an atheist or materialist nevertheless God nurtures him, bestows His kindness and sheds upon him His light."
('Abdu'l-Baha, Star of the West, Vol. 8, issue 7, p. 78)
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
"you don't know it, if you can't show it".
You don't know it. You believe it. Big difference.
Or not.
My "faith" is conditioned by independently verifiable evidence.
Anything else, is irrational.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Enough with this "mine is bigger then yours" playground argument already.
It matters not who has the most "believers" as it has no bearing on what is actually true.
To say otherwise is to engage in fallacious reasoning with the argument ad populum.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
My faith is also conditioned by independently verifiable evidence and I verified the evidence independently.
Anything else, is irrational
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is absolutely correct. Anything else would be the fallacy of ad populum.
I was not addressing what is true, only what is growing faster.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If the Baha'i Faith were true, it should still be the fastest growing religion. It has, supposedly, a new message from God that will establish peace and cure the ills of the world. It has essentially replaced all the older religions. If it were true, people wouldn't want to join any other religion. They all have an old, outdated, and in some ways, corrupted message from God according to Baha'is. But has anyone here on RF been so impressed by the Baha'i Faith as to believe it is true?
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Do you need a hand with those goalposts. They look heavy.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
The scientific explanation for life, the universe, and everything does not claim that everything was an accident.
This is just another straw man used by religionists who do not understand science.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Bingo!!
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
But you claimed that you know that god exists.
So, which is it?
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
And here lies the problem. You claim that the Quran is god's perfect revelation, but you also admit that you do not know what it says and that you disagree with some of it.