Atheists: If God existed would God……

[ACEofALLaces]

I explained WHY God does NOT communicate directly to everyone in this post. It is a rational explanation but you can take it or leave it.

#428 Trailblazer, Today at 2:32 PM

Not really.....ALL you did was offer up some EXCUSES for why God doesn't communicate directly to everyone. And if I or anyone would attempt to REFUTE those excuses, you would have some backup excuses standing by. I've seen THAT happen already. YOU...speaking FOR God.......that in and of itself is funny!

 

[CG Didymus]

I don't care about making a religion that works,

I do believe that Baha'i discount lots of religious beliefs of so many people. I've asked them several times about the Gods and beliefs of the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, and the not so ancient Aztecs and Incas.

Just by taking an introductory course on religion, it seems like people made up their Gods and religion. Judaism and Christianity could very easily have borrowed beliefs from other religions. Like creation and flood myths and dying and rising God/man myths.

But I do believe, that even now, for some people, they need a law giving God, a redeemer God, a God that will reward them for all the stuff they endured serving him, and a God that will punish those that didn't believe and did all their evil deeds. But they don't need to make one up. They just have to search out one of the many existing religions that makes sense to them and makes them feel secure in "knowing" the "truth".

The Baha'i Faith fills a pretty good-sized gap. God has eased up on the heaven and hell thing. Eliminated a literal Satan. Has made all the religions true. And has promised them a world of peace and harmony. All they have to do is a few simple things. One of them is tell others about all the good things the Baha'i Faith has to offer. And how their prophet is the return of any and all promised ones of all the past religions. And now is the time for all people to become one... and then, if everybody joins up, all the Baha'i laws will become the law of the land... actually the whole planet. And then, someday, there will be visitors from other worlds, and there will be an interplanetary prophet of God. Sounds good, don't it?

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh of COURSE not.....like a drunk refusing to admit to being drunk.....ok.

Actually KNOWING of such rational gobbledegook, and actually PRACTICING it, are two entirely different things.

WHY do you insist on quoting what some indigent uneducated Goat-Roper wrote. I have learned from having read that book myself, that only a very GULLIBLE individual would take much, if ANY of it, seriously.

I normally answer posts in the order that they were received, like the customer service agent, but today I made an exception and I looked at your posts first even they were the last ones that came in of 23 posts that came in overnight, but there is nothing to say to this, so I am moving right along, hoping for a serious conversation.......

 

[CG Didymus]

That the message is not convincing shows the communication is ineffective (if there is a message, that is).

The Baha'i message. A new day has come. All the prophecies have been fulfilled and so on. Here's a link to a long letter from the Baha'i headquarters about peace. This is the introductory statement to it.

The Promise of World Peace
In 1985, the Universal House of Justice addressed a message to the peoples of the world inviting them to consider that a new social order can be fostered by all peoples’ seeing themselves as members of one universal family. This message was presented to world leaders and countless others during the United Nations International Year of Peace.​

When I first heard about the Baha'i Faith fifty years ago, it was all about bringing peace. No more wars. No more prejudices against other people. All people are one. And supposedly, they had a plan to accomplish that. I don't think they're doing a very good job of it. They seem more interested in "proving" God exists and that their prophet was sent by that God.

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[Trailblazer]

Gee, not His job was it? Try telling that to the survivors of that horrific event. See what THEY think about their God, turning His Godly back on them like that.
The way I, and any SENSIBLE person would see it, is that this God did NOT REALLY GIVE A DAMN about it.

You do not know what God gives a damn about.
I wish some people would grow up and realize that God is not Superman.
Blaming God and expecting Him to clean up all the human messes in the world just because God is omnipotent... Nothing could be more childish or more irresponsible...

 

[Trailblazer]

Not really.....ALL you did was offer up some EXCUSES for why God doesn't communicate directly to everyone.

God needs no excuses because God can never make any mistakes because God is infallible.
God does not need excuses for NOT doing what atheists 'believe' God should be doing, as if they could ever know more than an all-knowing God. Nothing could be more illogical or more arrogant.

God communicate directly to everyone? Give me one good reason why God should do that?
There is no logical reason, and that is why not one single person has ever been able to provide one.

 

[Trailblazer]

YOU...speaking FOR God.......that in and of itself is funny!

I do not speak for God, Baha'u'llah speaks for God, and that is not funny.
Apparently you think this is all a joke and I cannot do anything about that.... you will just have to find out the hard way.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

You do not know what God gives a damn about.

This is true....unlike SOME people I know <hint hint> I do NOT know what God does or does not 'give a damn about'.

I wish some people would grow up and realize that God is not Superman.

Not ONLY that, but isn't much of a GOD either, when you come right down to it.

Blaming God and expecting Him to clean up all the human messes in the world just because God is omnipotent...

So you think it is WRONG to be blaming this God, for not doing ANYTHING...oh that's right, He DID flood the entire planet when all his pet ants got to be too much for Him to handle. My bad.

Nothing could be more childish or more irresponsible...

You really have a badly distorted way of looking at things.

 

[Trailblazer]

Some will not accept a god exists without falsifiable evidence. You know this so why base questions that can only be answered to your personal liking?

I think it is the atheists who should be asking themselves this question.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you think it is WRONG to be blaming this God, for not doing ANYTHING...oh that's right, He DID flood the entire planet when all his pet ants got to be too much for Him to handle. My bad.

Blaming God only hurts you, it does not hurt God or accomplish anything. I know because I did it for 10 years.
God did not flood the planet, that was just a story people told.
God does not do nothing, God sends Messengers. That is what God does to help humans.
You can take it or leave it, but complaining is NOT going to change it.

You really have a badly distorted way of looking at things.

Expecting God to 'come on down' and play Superman is utterly childish and irresponsible because it is humans who are responsible for eliminating evil and maintaining this planet.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

God needs no excuses because God can never make any mistakes because God is infallible..

Ahhh yes, infallible.....I guess you probably forgot where this infallible God, regretted having even MADE mankind. Sure sounds like this infallible God is admitting to having make a MISTAKE, ehhh?

God does not need excuses for NOT doing what atheists 'believe' God should be doing, as if they could ever know more than an all-knowing God. Nothing could be more illogical or more arrogant.

If your God, would only DEMONSTRATE some good sense in some of the crap this God is purported to have done, there wouldn't BE that suggestion that God "needs excuses".

God communicate directly to everyone? Give me one good reason why God should do that?

I would think that a BETTER question would be why God DOESN'T do that...since you're so good at offering excuses FOR this God.....go for it.

There is no logical reason, and that is why not one single person has ever been able to provide one

No, I have to agree, that there actually IS no "logical reason" for WHY this God does not...not CANNOT, but DOES not, communicate with everyone.....but instead, chooses to communicate with just ONE human being, and expect THAT one human being to somehow be a magician and get the message given to HIM, out to all the OTHER human beings on the planet.
There IS no logical reason for WHY such a God WOULD do that, is there? Seems that you actually answered your OWN question there.

 

[ChristineM]

I think it is the atheists who should be asking themselves this question.

Provide falsifiable evidence and atheists (most atheists) will consider it. In around 10,000 years of god worship by (literally) billions of people no such evidence has been forthcoming. Still waiting.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not ONLY that, but isn't much of a GOD either, when you come right down to it.

All because it does not do what you WANT it to do.
God does not take orders from humans. Maybe that is what you cannot face, you and the atheists.

 

[ChristineM]

All because it does not do what you WANT it to do.
God does not take orders from humans. Maybe that is what you cannot face, you and the atheists.

And yet again...

Atheist : a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

So why should someone who does not believe i your fairy story face your fairy story?

 

[Sheldon]

I never said that God could not communicate to people directly, I said that nobody could EVER understand God if God communicated to them directly.

You do realise you just said that your omnipotent and omniscient deity, is not powerful enough or knowledgeable enough, to make humans understand it? This is another violation of the law of non contradiction.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

Blaming God only hurts you, it does not hurt God or accomplish anything. I know because I did it for 10 years.
God did not flood the planet, that was just a story people told.
God does not do nothing, God sends Messengers. That is what God does to help humans.
You can take it or leave it, but complaining is NOT going to change it.

Sheeeeit girl, I'm not "complaining"....just simply pointing out what is OBVIOUS....in that believers claim their God is all these stupendous things, and then when it comes time to ACT......does absolutely nothing
It's NOT that this God didn't really flood the planet, as much as it is how those people back then THOUGHT so little of their God that THAT is what they would have EXPECTED it to do.

Expecting God to 'come on down' and play Superman is utterly childish and irresponsible because it is humans who are responsible for eliminating evil and maintaining this planet.

What's CHILDISH is expecting this God TO "come down here and do something".....when this super-duper all omni everything God has to do is lean forward while sitting on His "throne" and twinkle His Godly NOSE, like the girl in BEWITCHED does, and shít HAPPENS. Ok?
Besides, what kind of earth-shaking things DOES this all omni God have to do, that PREVENTS it from helping out, once in a while...I mean besides managing the universe, eating peanuts and peeling a banana here and there?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sounds like an ego trip to me.

Once again, you assume a deity exists with certain properties that are not in evidence. when I look within, I find myself. When I meditate, I find silence.

There *is* a unity: as far as I can see, all things are physical.

Ok, I accept the above is your present understanding, but do you also accept that in the realms of possibility, there may exist certain properties of the universe of a nature suggested in religious teachings of which you are not yet aware of, or are you 100% sure of your present understanding that the universe is 100% physical?

 

[Trailblazer]

Ahhh yes, infallible.....I guess you probably forgot where this infallible God, regretted having even MADE mankind. Sure sounds like this infallible God is admitting to having make a MISTAKE, ehhh?

That is a Bible story, an anthropomorphism. God did not regret making mankind, nothing could be more inane. God has no regrets because God cannot make any mistakes. Only humans make mistakes so only humans have regrets.

If your God, would only DEMONSTRATE some good sense in some of the crap this God is purported to have done, there wouldn't BE that suggestion that God "needs excuses".

Purported to have done is not the same as done. The Bible is your excuse to blame God but it won't work because men wrote those stories about hat God allegedly DID and they are just stories.

I would think that a BETTER question would be why God DOESN'T do that...since you're so good at offering excuses FOR this God.....go for it.

I already explained why God does not communicate directly to everyone. #428 Trailblazer

Now it is your turn to give me one good reason what God should communicate directly to everyone.

No, I have to agree, that there actually IS no "logical reason" for WHY this God does not...not CANNOT, but DOES not, communicate with everyone.....but instead, chooses to communicate with just ONE human being, and expect THAT one human being to somehow be a magician and get the message given to HIM, out to all the OTHER human beings on the planet.
There IS no logical reason for WHY such a God WOULD do that, is there? Seems that you actually answered your OWN question there.

There is a logical reason why God uses Messengers and it is in #428 Trailblazer
You can take it or leave it but I am done with this idiotic subject.

Ever hear of the world wide web? The message of Baha'u'llah is there for everyone in the world who wants it. If they don't want it that's their problem. God is not going to whisper all the 15,000 tablets that Baha'u'llah wrote in their ear. NOTHING could be more idiotic, which is why God would never do it. God is all-knowing and all-wise, that is why He knows to use Messengers as intermediaries between Himself and humans. It is completely logical, you just don't like it, but God does not care what YOU like.

Logically speaking, if communicating directly to everyone in the world was the BEST WAY to communicate then God would have communicated that way because an all-knowing God has to KNOW the best way to communicate to accomplish its goals....

There is NOTHING logical about God communicating directly to everyone, it is all based on emotion...
"I WANT God to talk to me directly" like a little child who wants a lollipop.

 

[Trailblazer]

What's CHILDISH is expecting this God TO "come down here and do something"....

God did come on down here when He manifested Himself in the Messengers and they all did plenty of things. Jesus was one such Messenger but what applies to Him applies to all the Messengers, who were Manifestations of God.

Jesus was like a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror. This is why Jesus said, “The Father is in the Son” (John 14:11, John 17:21), meaning that God is visible and manifest in Jesus.

“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that Jesus and God are one and the same, so whatever pertains to Jesus, all His acts and doings, are identical with the Will of the Father. Jesus and God also share the same Holy Spirit, so in that sense they are one and the same. Jesus also shares the Attributes of God so in that sense they are one and the same. The verse below says that God was manifest in the flesh; it does not say that God became flesh. God cannot become flesh because God is and has always been immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived, everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

“One who does not know God’s Messengers, however, is like a plant growing in the shade. Although it knows not the sun, it is, nevertheless, absolutely dependent on it. The great Prophets are spirits suns, and Bahá’u’lláh is the sun of this “day” in which we live. The suns of former days have warmed and vivified the world, and had those suns not shone, the earth would not be cold and dead, but it is the sunshine of today that alone can ripen the fruits which the suns of former days have kissed into life.”
Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 72

 

[Trailblazer]

You do realise you just said that your omnipotent and omniscient deity, is not powerful enough or knowledgeable enough, to make humans understand it? This is another violation of the law of non contradiction.

Even if God could make humans understand Him, God does not choose to do that, and an Omnipotent God only does what it chooses to do, NOT what humans want it to do. And that is precisely why atheists are not getting what they want from God and never will.

“Say: O people! Let not this life and its deceits deceive you, for the world and all that is therein is held firmly in the grasp of His Will. He bestoweth His favor on whom He willeth, and from whom He willeth He taketh it away. He doth whatsoever He chooseth.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 209