Atheists OBEs and NDEs

[Fool]

why would an atheist have an obe and/or nde and doesn't believe in non-local consciousness?

Who Have More Out-of-Body Near-Death Experiences—Atheists, Catholics, or Muslims?

 

[AlexanderG]

Because all of the reported experiences can be explained by a brain that is starved of oxygen, and the chemical imbalances as it is shutting down. And the "light at the end of the tunnel" is most likely an extreme form of the tunnel vision you can get when you stand up suddenly and blood rushes out of your head for a moment.

It's like the people who say, "I took LSD and had a crazy experience and so now I believe in god." There's really, really a more simple explanation...

 

[ChristineM]

Because all of the reported experiences can be explained by a brain that is starved of oxygen, and the chemical imbalances as it is shutting down. And the "light at the end of the tunnel" is most likely an extreme form of the tunnel vision you can get when you stand up suddenly and blood rushes out of your head for a moment.

It's like the people who say, "I took LSD and had a crazy experience and so now I believe in god." There's really, really a more simple explanation...

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Its a known phenomenon the brain under stress, it is nothing to do with religion

 

[HonestJoe]

why would an atheist have an obe and/or nde and doesn't believe in non-local consciousness?

Whether you believe in the cause of something doesn't make any difference to whether it happens to you. Anyone who has such experiences will be having them for the same set of reasons, regardless of what they each believe.

 

[Fool]

Whether you believe in the cause of something doesn't make any difference to whether it happens to you. Anyone who has such experiences will be having them for the same set of reasons, regardless of what they each believe.

but believing/disbelieving doesn't seem to affect the action but the form it takes isn't the same for ndes. atheists tend to experience a no thingness apart from self but still have awareness of self. like a dim fog, dark haziness with no contrast, no point of reference apart from self.

 

[Aupmanyav]

why would an atheist have an obe and/or nde and doesn't believe in non-local consciousness?

OBE and NDE are body's last dreams caused by accumulation of carbon-Di-oxide and carbon-Mono-oxide in the brain. They will happen to all people, theists or atheists, and even animals. Those who are not revived (most) are not able to tell their stories.

 

[George-ananda]

My thought is that at that point of physical trauma one's waking beliefs on debatable issues becomes largely irrelevant (which this study seems to indicate).

I am speaking as one who believes the Near Death Experience as well as Out of Body Experience are created by a separation of the normally interpenetrating astral and physical bodies.

We all have the same physical and subtle-physical constitution.

 

[Altfish]

why would an atheist have an obe and/or nde and doesn't believe in non-local consciousness?

Who Have More Out-of-Body Near-Death Experiences—Atheists, Catholics, or Muslims?

Why not?

Atheists just explain such things differently or say, "I don't know what happened there"

 

[HonestJoe]

but believing/disbelieving doesn't seem to affect the action but the form it takes isn't the same for ndes. atheists tend to experience a no thingness apart from self but still have awareness of self. like a dim fog, dark haziness with no contrast, no point of reference apart from self.

The whole theist/atheist division is really nothing like as significant as some people seem to want it to be. There is literally only on tiny thing that everyone in each group shares and infinitely more variation between individuals within each group than there is between the two groups in general.

Loads of theists and loads of religious people (which isn't the same thing by the way) don't believe in any divine or "supernatural" explanation for NDEs and some atheists may well still believe a "supernatural" one. How (and probably, If) an individual experiences, interprets and recalls such an experience will be exactly that - individual. Whether they're theist or atheist is just one infinitesimally tiny aspect of the individuals character, knowledge and mindset that can all influence their perception.

 

[Fool]

OBE and NDE are body's last dreams caused by accumulation of carbon-Di-oxide and carbon-Mono-oxide in the brain. They will happen to all people, theists or atheists, and even animals. Those who are not revived (most) are not able to tell their stories.

something observing itself apart from the body doesn't have a brain. Obes are able to observe something both visually audibly and not through the physical eyes and ears. Ndes and obes are claiming consciousness of things that are not through the physical 5 senses

 

[Fool]

Why not?

Atheists just explain such things differently or say, "I don't know what happened there"

Read a few case studies. It isn't that simple

 

[Fool]

The whole theist/atheist division is really nothing like as significant as some people seem to want it to be. There is literally only on tiny thing that everyone in each group shares and infinitely more variation between individuals within each group than there is between the two groups in general.

Loads of theists and loads of religious people (which isn't the same thing by the way) don't believe in any divine or "supernatural" explanation for NDEs and some atheists may well still believe a "supernatural" one. How (and probably, If) an individual experiences, interprets and recalls such an experience will be exactly that - individual. Whether they're theist or atheist is just one infinitesimally tiny aspect of the individuals character, knowledge and mindset that can all influence their perception.

Actually the rate is common among all types. But the nde experience is often different and based on expectation of the belief system. If you expect nothing, evidently you get nothing. If you expect a Christian experience, you get that. Hindu? Yep. Expect something negative because of your anger towards otherness, yep. That's what you get. Karma, you reap what you sow as the harvest

 

[Aupmanyav]

something observing itself apart from the body doesn't have a brain. Obes are able to observe something both visually audibly and not through the physical eyes and ears. Ndes and obes are claiming consciousness of things that are not through the physical 5 senses

Death does not mean immediate cessation of sensory organs. That takes time. And memory goes the last. OBE and NDE are the last cavorts of brain. The underlined feeling is created by mind (just as the mind makes you feel that you are something solid. There is nothing solid in you or me).

 

[Fool]

Death does not mean immediate cessation of sensory organs. That takes time. And memory goes the last. OBE and NDE are the last cavorts of brain. The underlined feeling is created by mind (just as the mind makes you feel that you are something solid. There is nothing solid in you or me).

Again obes should not have any sense of self from other than within the body. The being is observing its body from a distance.

 

[Willamena]

Again obes should not have any sense of self from other than within the body. The being is observing its body from a distance.

Why?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Again obes should not have any sense of self from other than within the body. The being is observing its body from a distance.

Fail. The feeling is created by a dying brain. Why would sense of self be not there?
That it is the 'person's soul which is observing its body from a distance', is your belief, and IMHO, completely untrue. Do you have any evidence for existence of soul?

 

[rational experiences]

Human.

A sperm ovary. Not an NDE or OBE.

Conscious human beginning's.

Parents as first humans is not any topic subject in any type of human sciences .....as all parents today are and were only living babies also.

Science is human specific now. Once scientists were told it's illegal to thesis any term about dead or death or dying.

As they research advice how to murder life using just a humans scientific thesis. By collecting various data advices from machine only experiments.

As humans as human biology only owns the experience as the living biology....the human self.

As humans live only.

A once living dead human in biology is still bodily present is exactly advised but died. Isn't utilising oxygens supply.

All human advice is only about living in biology own with no other interactive inferred theology. Was a human law as legal position.

Hence doesn't that legal position still stand today against just human Theist scientists?

Science status I can give cause by machines early age human death. Death before it's time. Hence as a natural heavenly body can change naturally. Humans experience those changes

And it's not science. A heavens mass is always natural. Law first of any mass body is its natural. If natural changes then natural has changed.

Science knows it too can change the natural heavenly body.

I know I did it before he says why I study the thesis now.

I survived that type of death am still living. Is the human advice a scientist human is using.

Knowing science employed itself to seek heavenly advice how to destroy human nature's life by his man science designs. What he always seeks answers for is to remove destroy himself.

As if NDE or OBE belonged to life it would be each individual humans non stop humans moment by moment biological experience. Everyone.

And it's not.

Supposedly human law was meant to deal with sciences illegal studies and experiments. Based on human motivated purposes applying the experiment.

As there isn't learning in already caused changes unless you seek to copy it yourself.

 

[HonestJoe]

But the nde experience is often different and based on expectation of the belief system.

Yes, but neither "theism" nor "atheism" are belief systems. Simply contrasting atheists and theists on this topic (or pretty much any other) is meaningless. Even within specific belief systems, individuals can have a vast range of different beliefs and expectations on particular topics. I'd suggest the only meaningful discussion on the kind of people who experience (or recall) NDEs would be on a detailed individual basis to identify any and all common factors.

 

[Fool]

Why?

I'm not agreeing with the person I responded to. I'm pointing out that obes are experiencing something that doesn't follow generally held beliefs. that they should only be able to experience something through the 5 body senses

 

[Fool]

Yes, but neither "theism" nor "atheism" are belief systems. Simply contrasting atheists and theists on this topic (or pretty much any other) is meaningless. Even within specific belief systems, individuals can have a vast range of different beliefs and expectations on particular topics. I'd suggest the only meaningful discussion on the kind of people who experience (or recall) NDEs would be on a detailed individual basis to identify any and all common factors.

Belief systems are individual. A system doesn't have to be organized. Doesn't have to be popular. Doesn't have to be religious. Doesn't have to be theistic or atheistic. Doesn't have to fall under some well known umbrella/label.

A belief system is something that the individual constructs throughout life where fact isn't known. Beliefs can be both positive or negative.

Holding on to a belief that everyone doesn't have one, flies in the face fact.

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