Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Trailblazer]

Just about everybody that has argued with you has pointed out that you do not understand what reliable evidence is.

You man every atheist has pointed that out Of course atheists are not going to agree with me regarding what constitutes reliable evidence but why would that matter? No theist would agree with any atheist about what constitutes reliable evidence either, but what does that prove?

It proves NOTHING, except that atheists and theists disagree.
Can't you even step away from your own position long enough to understand what is so blatantly obvious?

 

[Trailblazer]

But when you claim "I have evidence" people are going to demand that you provide it.

I have been providing evidence to atheists for 4.5 years on this forum.
I finally realized how foolish it was so I stopped wasting my time.

 

[Trailblazer]

The claim of the men is that they are holy. That "holy" is even a real thing. So yeah, "holy man" is the claim.

The claim of the men is that they are got communication for God. Only God is holy.
The holy man makes a claim, so he is the CLAIMANT. The holy man is not the claim.

 

[ppp]

The claim of the men is that they are got communication for God. Only God is holy.
The holy man makes a claim, so he is the CLAIMANT. The holy man is not the claim.

The man is not the claim. The holy man is the claim.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sure it is. You are claiming that you believe something.

I am not claiming anything because I have nothing to claim since I did not get any communication from God.
Baha'u'llah claimed that He got communication from God. I am saying that I believe His claim.

Say: utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=say+means

 

[Trailblazer]

The man is not the claim. The holy man is the claim.

No man is a claim. A man makes claims.

 

[Trailblazer]

Please explain the mechanism where I can make a verbal claim without "[uttering] words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction."''

Of course you need to utter words to make a claim but all words that people utter are not claims.
Please explain why you think that everything a person says is a claim.

Claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=claim+means

Claim: to say that something is true or is a fact, although you cannot prove it and other people might not believe it: claim

 

[ppp]

Of course you need to utter words to make a claim but all words that people utter are not claims.
Please explain why you think that everything a person says is a claim.

I don't. Only when you state or assert that something is the case.

Claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

Every time you make a statement that something is the case you are stating that something is the case. Which makes that statement that something is the case a claim.

 

[ppp]

No man is a claim. A man makes claims.

It is the fact that you have to resort to such pointless and disingenuous squirming that I don't believe any of your religious claims, and consider you no more credible than all the religions that say that you are wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't. Only when you state or assert that something is the case.

Every time you make a statement that something is the case you are stating that something is the case. Which makes that statement that something is the case a claim.

I never stated or asserted that anything was the case so I never made a claim.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is the fact that you have to resort to such pointless and disingenuous squirming that I don't believe any of your religious claims, and consider you no more credible than all the religions that say that you are wrong.

You are the one who is squirming and deflecting.
Explain how a man can be a claim.
No man is a claim. A man makes claims.

 

[ppp]

I never stated or asserted that anything was the case so I never made a claim.

Every time you make an affirmative statement, you are stating that something is the case. That is why we call them statements.

 

[ppp]

You are the one who is squirming and deflecting.
Explain how a man can be a claim.
No man is a claim. A man makes claims.

The statement that the man is a holy man is the claim. The statement that the man is a prophet is the claim. The statement that the man is a messenger of god is the claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You man every atheist has pointed that out Of course atheists are not going to agree with me regarding what constitutes reliable evidence but why would that matter? No theist would agree with any atheist about what constitutes reliable evidence either, but what does that prove?

It proves NOTHING, except that atheists and theists disagree.
Can't you even step away from your own position long enough to understand what is so blatantly obvious?

No, since you will not even discuss the concept of evidence it indicates that atheist understand the concept and you do not. In fact when you run away from such offers it pretty much confirms that you do not understand the concept of evidence.

And you are also incorrect. Many of your examples of non-evidence were shown to be non-evidence with valid sources. As in the example of your use of an ad populum fallacy earlier today. So you are even more wrong than I first stated.

 

[Trailblazer]

The statement that the man is a holy man is the claim. The statement that the man is a prophet is the claim. The statement that the man is a messenger of god is the claim.

I am not making the claims. The holy man and the prophet are making claims.
I believe their claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not making the claims. The holy man and the prophet are making claims.
I believe their claims.

You just made a claim by calling them holy men and prophets. And since you referred to them you have the burden of proof of showing that they are reliable soruces.

I could say "Well Tom says that the Bob is an idiot". Why would I refer to Tom if I did not think that he was a valid source? And if I referred to Tom I better be ready to demonstrate that he is a reliable source,

Can you answer this question:

Why would you refer to anyone that was not a valid source? I would never refer to Tom. If needed I will try to find a valid source to support my claims.

 

[ppp]

I am not making the claims. The holy man and the prophet are making claims.
I believe their claims.

Are you under the impression that because you didn't originate the claim, that when you restate the claim as true, that you are not making a claim?

 

[Trailblazer]

You just made a claim by calling them holy men and prophets. And since you referred to them you have the burden of proof of showing that they are reliable soruces.

No, I just stated a belief. I have no burden of proof since I am not making any claims.
The holy men and prophets made claims so they had the burden of proof.
If people want to know if their claims are true then they have to look at the evidence.
I am not responsible for doing other people's homework for them just because I believe something.

 

[ppp]

No, I just stated a belief. I have no burden of proof since I am not making any claims.
The holy men and prophets made claims so they had the burden of proof.
If people want to know if their claims are true then they have to look at the evidence.
I am not responsible for doing other people's homework for them just because I believe something.

Every time you make an affirmative statement, you are stating that something is the case. That is why we call them statements.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I just stated a belief. I have no burden of proof since I am not making any claims.
The holy men and prophets made claims so they had the burden of proof.
If people want to know if their claims are true then they have to look at the evidence.
I am not responsible for doing other people's homework for them just because I believe something.

Sorry, no one believes this.

You took on a burden of proof no matter how you phrased it.