Atheists: what would it take?

[PearlSeeker]

Jesus said...

The gospel writers report that Jesus said...

Most of the Pentateuch. I know it's being disputed but that it ... its disputed. So?

I believe Jesus more than the sceptics who do not believe in God.

No. You believe the gospel writers. But probably Jesus and all the Jews of the time believed so (since there was no proper history and archeology yet).

There are good (archeological and writing style) reasons for disputing the traditional authorship of the Torah.

 

[Five Solas]

There are good (archeological and writing style) reasons for disputing the traditional authorship of the Torah.

Jesus did not and neither do I. Who am I to argue?

 

[Five Solas]

How so? I simply want to know what sort of evidence you are claiming. How do you guard against confirmation bias? if it can't be done 'scientifically', in what sense *can* it be done? Why can't it convince a skeptic that is open minded?

They still don't have to.

 

[Five Solas]

My contention is that it always happens in mythical descriptions - exaggeration.

What I say is correct - the Bible describes people and events as real and true. How sceptics vie it is a different story. Fact is, the Scriptures do not pretend to be mere stories or myth. Jesus accepted it is true and therefore I do as well.

 

[Polymath257]

They still don't have to.

And nobody needs to take 'scriptures' seriously either. Unless they are backed up by actual evidence, they are simply stories told to give power to the clergy.

 

[Polymath257]

Jesus did not and neither do I. Who am I to argue?

A human? If you look at the evidence and are not convinced, why say that you are? If the subject is that important, why not look at ALL the evidence and make an informed decision?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Jesus accepted it is true and therefore I do as well.

In Jesus' time many things were accepted as true like Adam's fall from Eden or Universal flood or Noah's ark.

 

[Five Solas]

In Jesus' time many things were accepted as true like Adam's fall from Eden or Universal flood or Noah's ark.

The Christian church still accepts that as true.

 

[Five Solas]

A human? If you look at the evidence and are not convinced, why say that you are? If the subject is that important, why not look at ALL the evidence and make an informed decision?

There is no evidence against it. If Jesus, who is God, said it true its good enough for me.

 

[Polymath257]

The Christian church still accepts that as true.

Which is sufficient reason for me to reject the teachings of the Christian church.

 

[Polymath257]

There is no evidence against it. If Jesus, who is God, said it true its good enough for me.

What is the evidence Jesus is God? What is the evidence any God exists at all? What is the evidence that Jesus said this?

There is plenty of evidence the Biblical stories are not true. That the evidence is rejected by those with an agenda doesn't mean the evidence is invalid.

 

[Five Solas]

And nobody needs to take 'scriptures' seriously either. Unless they are backed up by actual evidence, they are simply stories told to give power to the clergy.

Oh, the evidence is overwhelming. Those of faith in God have no problem accepting the evidence. It's that simple. That is why we (Christians) believe in God - faith based on the evidence.

 

[Five Solas]

What is the evidence Jesus is God?

Don't you see it?

 

[Polymath257]

Don't you see it?

I see many claims of such, but no evidence outside of some stories in an old book.

 

[Polymath257]

Oh, the evidence is overwhelming. Those of faith in God have no problem accepting the evidence. It's that simple. That is why we (Christians) believe in God - faith based on the evidence.

And once again, what evidence? Please give some details.

 

[Five Solas]

And once again, what evidence? Please give some details.

Witness account are evidence. You do NOT need scientific evidence all the time - that is a fallacy. Get over it.

 

[Five Solas]

I see many claims of such, but no evidence outside of some stories in an old book.

Oh! There is your problem!!! You create a definition that suits your beliefs and ignores the evidence. Not honest, I would say.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The Christian church still accepts that as true.

No problem. Their view is their right.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Jesus did not and neither do I. Who am I to argue?

And if Jesus said the Earth is flat you would not dispute it, right?

 

[Five Solas]

And if Jesus said the Earth is flat you would not dispute it, right?

But He did not.