Brian2
Veteran Member
Then what type of evidence do you propose?
The whole point of evidence is that it helps to convince a skeptic. Otherwise it is simply confirmation bias, which humans are very prone to.
For example, if a scientist is skeptical about the existence of the top quark, she can look at the data, look over the theory, and, if not convinced, say specifically what is missing that would help to convince her. Then, the scientific community will perform that test and see what happens.
If, instead, there is no way to help to convince a skeptic, why should anyone believe it?
I don't propose anything.
It does not bother me that skeptics cannot be convinced. That is their problem. If they want to treat God like an energy or a physical object for study instead of listening to God about how He is to be found, they probably don't want to find God.
Belief comes *after* evidence, not before.
Science can be wrong, but it self-corrects. That is why testing is so important. That is what keeps science honest. Scientists *know* they can be wrong and want to determine what is right. So they are skeptical and test every aspect of every idea they have. Any scientist can question the methods and try to duplicate the results of any other scientist. Any scientist can propose a new idea *if* they can show how to test it.
Belief comes after evidence and confirmation of belief comes after believing.
In other words, all you have is confirmation bias. Sorry, that isn't good enough. And it *shouldn't* be good enough.
How do you determine the difference between ideas that are from God and those that are not?
Confirmation is not confirmation bias.
For me as a Christian it is easy to look at an idea and recognise if it is from the Bible God.
It is easy to see the effects of various religions and atheism on certain countries also.
It is easy to look back in history and see the Christian influences in various peoples' lives and in what they have done with their lives.
Any in a double-blind study where nobody that talked to the patient knew this information?
Nope.
All I have is what I find on the internet.
Near-Death Experiences Evidence for Their Reality
Near-death experiences? Results of the world's largest medical study of the human mind and consciousness at time of death
How would it? We can only go on what we can test and we cannot test those past events (unless you can figure out a way to do so).
Which ones have been verified? Are they done in a double blind situation?
They are done the way they are done. Most studies I imagine are interviews with patients who have had NDEs and possible follow up verification checks of what is revealed in the interviews.