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Atheists - which God don't you believe in?

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Reading one of robtex's posts in another thread got me thinking.

To the atheists on the forum, have you always been atheist or have you 'converted' from some form of theism?

If you have 'converted', was it specifically issues with the God(s) of your old religion that you had a problem with?

Have you/did you explore alternative religions such as Buddhism or Taoism before opting for complete atheism? If so, what about these religions did not appeal to you?
 

pdoel

Active Member
I'm not an atheist, but I would assume their answer would be the following:

D.) All of the above.

:biglaugh:
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Hi!

I'm reminded of 'Abdu'l-Baha--very much a theist--, who headed the Baha'i Faith from 1892 to 1921.

When atheists used to give their reasons for rejecting God, he used to reply, "The God you don't believe in, I don't believe in, either!"

Best, :)

Bruce
 

mr.guy

crapsack
bruce said:
When atheists used to give their reasons for rejecting God, he used to reply, "The God you don't believe in, I don't believe in, either!"
I always have to remind myself that being an atheist is a self-definitive matter of "percentiles" to what theology i'm aquainted with.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
I converted away from being a Protestant. Growing up in a liberal area, and having friends/family members that are from multiple religions, I've touched with Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and some differing beliefs that sounded Pagen'ish in real life. Otherwise I research every other religion online. It might sound sad, but every time I hear a new religion, I always try to look it up just to see what its core values are, so on and so forth.

I came close to converting to Buddhism on one occasion, and still have a little "black stone" in the back of my mind about it-- I guess that's because my uncle is Buddhist, and he's always had an impression on me.
 

sparc872

Active Member
I converted to atheism from Christianity. I started out as a Catholic, going to church with my family and then that kind of died off. After that, I went with my girlfriend to her church, which is an evangelical free church. I have looked into other religions as well, I like to study them...which, I guess, is something a lot of atheists like to do.

For me, Christianity or Buddhism make the most sense, and I have trouble believing in either. Once you reject one faith, it becomes a lot easier to reject the next and so forth.
 
M

Majikthise

Guest
I was raised in a protestant household, five siblings, parents both working but always there for us with love. I rebelled during my teen years with the usual heavy metal satan/devil crap. From 18 to 21 I really didn't think about religion alot and considered myself between christianity and agnosticism. I married a baptist who would always point out all the reasons for which I was going to hell. Thank goodness for divorce.

I did take a quick glance at judaism, but realised I was only trying to cling to an obsolete way of thinking as it related to me personally. It just hit me that I don't need any religion in my life to complete myself and life is too short to waste on endless soul searching. The thought of non-exsistance after death does not bother me at all ,though some of my friends can't believe how I can think this way.
I have a problem with fundy wackos in any religion, but not with religion in general.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
I used to be christian untill I found out that everything that I used to see as God's work was more following patterns. Suddenly, there was no more need for a God.

With that, I always hated the fact that God was given as answer to all questions. It sounded to me like: we don't know and don't want to search for it.
 

darkwaldo

Member
I grew up in a Southern Baptist family. My biggest problem with the Baptist were there ethics. After a while of exploring other christian denominations and religions I decided Atheism was the best course for me. I feel, as an Atheist, I have more freedom.
 

Zsr1973

Member
I knew an atheist at a former job and it was sad to me that she admittedly never knew true love. I always thought the two facts about her were related. I don't presume its true for all atheists however.

Bad translations and corrupt religious authority have given the majority of the world (christians, hebrews, and moslems) a false identity of who and what God is. Buddhism does connect one with the universe and the God within, but I believe the Egyptian mystery school was a more direct approach and it is my preference. Of course it is the way of my forefathers so it makes sense for me to use that approach too!

If we see God as simply "the All" meaning he consists of all that exists, then it erases a need for people not to believe in God. Anyone who exists cannot disbelieve in all existense. That is the ancient way of my forefathers.

A misguided one believes God is good only. If God is omnipresent, then he is all that is good as well as all that is evil. He is all. The devil and man both exist as a part of all, in other words as a part of God. poor translations make this truth difficult to see.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
Zsr1973 said:
I knew an atheist at a former job and it was sad to me that she admittedly never knew true love. I always thought the two facts about her were related. I don't presume its true for all atheists however.
For my feeling I can't even see how they could be related at all.

Zsr1973 said:
Bad translations and corrupt religious authority have given the majority of the world (christians, hebrews, and moslems) a false identity of who and what God is.
For me atheism is not disbelieve in religion, but disbelief in God. So it doesn't matter how the identity of God according to religions is.

Zsr1973 said:
If we see God as simply "the All" meaning he consists of all that exists, then it erases a need for people not to believe in God. Anyone who exists cannot disbelieve in all existense. That is the ancient way of my forefathers.
That just feels like giving something completelly differnt the name "God".
If I see my car as "god" than it would erase my need not to believe my car..:sarcastic
Besides, I don't heve 'the need' to disbelieve God. I just do..:rolleyes:
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Halcyon said:
have you always been atheist or have you 'converted' from some form of theism?
To describe my background I used to be a very active churchgoer. I also was politically active in the local church community, for example substantially contributing to election material for the Church of Sweden (Evangelical Lutheran) church board elections and was elected to what my dictionary says corresponds to the 'vestry'. In the secular community, I belonged to and held positions for the rightmost party there was. Accordingly, I believed in women's rights to decide on their body (pro-choice in the USAmerican language), and if the question would have been brought up I would have supported same-gender marriages. I wasn't really a fundie, because I for example already in those days regarded Genesis as a set of parables for ancient Semites, but I thought that my faith was adequately described in the Symbolic Books of the Church of Sweden.
Have you/did you explore alternative religions such as Buddhism or Taoism before opting for complete atheism? If so, what about these religions did not appeal to you?
At the time of conversion, I was familiar with the major religions and a few more. I was especially interested in South Asian religions. Some facets of them seemed just ridiculous: Gods leaving their invisibility to walk on Earth, new lives after death etc. I couldn't accept that. I never considered the other Abrahamic flavours. Too much rules on how to behave outwardly, and as a healhy Swedish male the thought of genital mutilation, compulsory or for traditional reasons, was and is unthinkable to me. I hadn't looked very much into Daoism. Catholicism was ruled out because of the Transubstantiation. I'm a chemical engineer.
If you have 'converted', was it specifically issues with the God(s) of your old religion that you had a problem with?
I started doing Religious studies. One reason was that I wanted to get a scholarly view of the sympathetic Sikhism. But fortunately, I had an OT teacher who somehow made me draw a new baseline and think independently of what I had been taught and believed previously.

I found out that my Church believed in Consubstantiation, which I found to be at least as weird as Transubstantiation. I realized that I thought that (at least 1/3 of) God had walked on Earth. I believed in another life after this one. And I discovered the supposed atrocities described in the OT. There is of course no proof that any of those genocides and large scale murders ever happened, but including them and interpreting them as being acts of a (loving?) God turned me off even more. So, scrap that. Because of rebirth/reincarnation/metempsychosis, Buddhism and Sikhism were out. I was attracted by ancient Daoism, but didn't find any gods there, and gradually understood that I could live an ethical as well as fulfilling life without a religion.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Hey, thanks all for the interesting replies. :)

To take it further, how many of you practice what is normally considered religious or spiritual exercises like meditation or yoga?
 

darkwaldo

Member
There is a Buddhist meditation that involves concentrating on breathing in and out. I've read that monks use the meditation to reach higher planes of existence. I like it the meditation because it clears my head and helps me concentrate.
 

muichimotsu

Holding All and None
I'll answer I suppose, considering I consider myself similar to an atheist in many ways and yet I believe in one theology, which in itself could just as easily not exist to me as well. That's philosophy of religion for you, lol. I was raised Presbyterian Christian and then went through religious questioning, eventually changing to Deism, which I still like to think of myself as as well. A friend of mine influenced me into Buddhist studies and then from there I just decided to start calling myself Atheist/Agnostic/Philosopher. From there, I just like to now consider myself more of just a philosopher of religion. Issues with religion and God..hmmm... Oh yeah, the fact that the answers always had to be somehow connected to God. Similar beliefs and ideas to at least one or two other posters so far in this thread. In any case, just my own personal feelings. And another post for my post count, yay
 

Ormiston

Well-Known Member
Halcyon said:
Hey, thanks all for the interesting replies. :)

To take it further, how many of you practice what is normally considered religious or spiritual exercises like meditation or yoga?

I drink a lot of wine...:foot:

I went from no religion to Christianity for a few years to no religion. I don't like the word atheist very much because it seems to imply some degree of confidence that God(s) don't exist. I choose to accept the fact that I don't know and prefer to focus on the human implications associated with religion.

:cigar: <----would someone please tell me what the heck that is!
 
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