Atheists win! They have the fossils! What do the fossils prove?

[Subduction Zone]

Okay...then what I said in the OP was correct....a single cell organism eventually mutated into..:

Science and evolution is artistic and has a sense of humor eh?

No, those are traits of people that you are projecting onto nature.

 

[Spiderman]

Just out of curious, if that was a reflection of what you think of the OP

Yes, I heard the same accusations from a flat earther.



If that is comfortable for you, be my guest. After all, if you believe that wafers can turn into gods, I guess the sky is the limit.

Ciao

- viole

To be fair, I'm very skeptic about the Eucharist...I receive much euphoria, bliss, and religious extacy at times from prayer, meditation, praying to and for the dead disembodied souls in Heaven and purgatory...I enjoy burning incense and chanting the Rosary, chaplets, and liturgies, but I'm more into the Sadhu spirituality, Shamanism, Necromancy, indigenous medicine-man spirituality...to each their won...whatever floats your boat...in the end, can I prove that any of it is true just because it produces euphoria, bliss, peace, and ecstasy, is that proof that another entity is involved?

Not at all!

So, at the end of the day, I'm willing to admit I DON'T KNOW!

That's something I see is hard for atheists to admit, when I look at the Poll votes

 

[Spiderman]

No, those are traits of people that you are projecting onto nature.

Not at all...all those beautiful animals can trace themselves back to a world dominated by single cell organisms...

 

[LuisDantas]

It is certainly not impossible that some miraculous or supernatural force exists.

But to regard that seriously just because? What would the point be?

That would amount to choosing to confuse ourselves without any need.

As for "possibilty"... in these contexts it is very much a worthless word. Russell's teapot is the classic refutation, but I also like to point out that it is not altogether impossible that I am somehow the legitimate heir of Norway's throne. And a werewolf. From Alpha Centauri.

Better not to lose any sleep on it, though.

 

[Cacotopia]

this is just a reschauff of older threads. I don't get it, god did it. With zero evidence whatsoever to back it up, miracles don't prove the creation of the planet or universe, because they are unrelated. But if we saw a planet from out of no where. yeah that might be cause to start believing in something, but then we would have to investigate it too.

But you will keep rebaking the same exact thread again and again. I didn't even bother to read the OP completely.

(and homo whatever)... that had different skulls : here you had the time to write all that up but not enough time to look up names and copy pasta them. Lame.

 

[idav]

Okay...then what I said in the OP was correct....a single cell organism eventually mutated into..:

Science and evolution is artistic and has a sense of humor eh?

Simply put it went from single celled to multi-celled. Granted it took millions of years to have multicellular organisms to have millions and billions of cell.

I don't believe scientific mechanisms by themselves can cause such a profound mutation...we have 99% DNA similarity with Chimps....but are we really similar? We have universities, people that walk on the moon, dentists, Scientists, automobiles, credit cards, cell phones, Internet....Chimps haven't even invented a wheel or dug a well...and guess what? They never will...unless some profound mutation, that goes against anything we see in any living creature today, takes place.

If such a profound mutation did indeed take place, I simply am not able to believe it took place without the help and guidance of a supernatural force, a higher power, a creator.

I used to be that way also, thinking there is some missing link between humans and the rest of the great apes. It just isn’t true unfortunately and there is no evidence aliens needed to tamper in our dna. Species simply diverge given enough time. Plants and insects diverge even quicker which give us the greatest proof of speciation because they go through generations so quick. There really are no longer any missing links, we can pretty much trace the timeline from single celled organisms to the complexity we see today. Yes we are a bit different from chimps and bonobos but that’s becaue we diverged and our common ancestor went extinct. The fossil record has thousands of various ape species that went extinct 99.99 percent of the time because the universe and earth is very harsh and we are very lucky to even be around.

 

[Polymath257]

Not at all...all those beautiful animals can trace themselves back to a world dominated by single cell organisms...

Yes. So? The lineages were not simple or direct. If you study a bit of biology you might be able to understand how we know this to be the case.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Evidence? At least you have provided us with the evidence that many atheists are ill-mannered bigots. But then I already knew that.

Back up the truck, there, big fella.

1) Do you think everyone claiming to be contacted by supernatural forces is telling the truth?
2) Is it possible to logically reconcile the variety of stories and messages? If so, how?
3) My wife works in mental health, specifically with the criminally insane. It's fair to say there are many who have delusions involving supernatural entities.

I'm neither ill-mannered, nor a bigot.
However, you already have a strawman you carry around. Don't pretend like you need to misinterpret one of my posts to maintain it.

 

[Spiderman]

this is just a reschauff of older threads. I don't get it, god did it. With zero evidence whatsoever to back it up, miracles don't prove the creation of the planet or universe, because they are unrelated. But if we saw a planet from out of no where. yeah that might be cause to start believing in something, but then we would have to investigate it too.

But you will keep rebaking the same exact thread again and again. I didn't even bother to read the OP completely.

(and homo whatever)... that had different skulls : here you had the time to write all that up but not enough time to look up names and copy pasta them. Lame.

Speaking of lame, it's extremely lame that you keep telling me I give absolutely no evidence, when I give plenty of evidence of a supernatural force intervening in people's lives that you simply refuse to accept...

Also, This thread is different than the OP of other threads...

I brought up fossils and Homo erectus and what it means... hence, the topic of the thread. It's a different Focus. It was also a different question in the poll.

It's an entirely new topic.

Get your thoughts and facts straight before you post!... you who declared so certainly that ancient documents were fabricated lies, a claim you do not know to be true...

neither do I, but at least I have the common consideration, humility, and rational thought, to admit that I don't know. Neither do you!

 

[Cacotopia]

But yet still lack the common sense to ask the question in a search engine and take almost none of what we have already told you multiple times before. It's like talking to a pile of rocks.

 

[Spiderman]

Yes. So? The lineages were not simple or direct. If you study a bit of biology you might be able to understand how we know this to be the case.

Oh, so you know there was no intelligent, creative Supernatural force responsible for these mutations that we don't actually see in any of the living animals in the 21st century? You know that to be true? Really?

 

[Polymath257]

Oh, so you know there was no intelligent, creative Supernatural force responsible for these mutations that we don't actually see in any of the living animals in the 21st century? You know that to be true? Really?

We see mutations all the time in the 21st century! We have seen new species evolve. Now, given that we have written records for only the past 5000 years or so, we don't expect to see the large scale changes that happen over tens of millions of years. But we do see changes that if added up will lead to those large scale changes.

 

[Spiderman]

But yet still lack the common sense to ask the question in a search engine and take almost none of what we have already told you multiple times before. It's like talking to a pile of rocks.

Speaking of talking to a pile of rocks, no one has produced any evidence in any of the creatures alive in our 21st century, that it is in the process of mutating into another species.... and you also state with certainty that I provided zero evidence. That is simply not true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Speaking of lame, it's extremely lame that you keep telling me I give absolutely no evidence, when I give plenty of evidence of a supernatural force intervening in people's lives that you simply refuse to accept...

Also, This thread is different than the OP of other threads...

I brought up fossils and Homo erectus and what it means... hence, the topic of the thread. It's a different Focus. It was also a different question in the poll.

It's an entirely new topic.

Get your thoughts and facts straight before you post!... you who declared so certainly that ancient documents were fabricated lies, a claim you do not know to be true...

neither do I, but at least I have the common consideration, humility, and rational thought, to admit that I don't know. Neither do you!

Sorry, but you haven't. You need to learn what is and what is not reliable evidence.

 

[Cacotopia]

You think the earth was a hospitable place in the primordial soup days? There have been 5 mass extinction events on the planet already. Life managed to make it through those events and built upon the dead of trillions of lifeforms to form more complex forms of life. We aren't the last either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Speaking of talking to a pile of rocks, no one has produced any evidence in any of the creatures alive in our 21st century, that it is in the process of mutating into another species.... and you also state with certainty that I provided zero evidence. That is simply not true.

You do not appear to understand the concept. I mentioned cichlids, but you brushed the topic off.

 

[Spiderman]

Sorry, but you haven't. You need to learn what is and what is not reliable evidence.

I have seen plenty of documentaries where the eyewitnesses gave their account.

I have read plenty of books and seen many documentaries where people who had miraculous healings gave their testimony. Where doctors gave their testimony. I've seen documentaries where eyewitnesses at Fatima Portugal gave their account.

It was enough to convince me that not everybody is full of s***. There is something out there that is intervening and changing billions of lives.

If one person says one thing is reliable evidence, and another person says it is not reliable evidence, how do we know who's actually right about what reliable evidence is?

 

[Spiderman]

You do not appear to understand the concept. I mentioned cichlids, but you brushed the topic off.

I responded to you. It remains of fish.

What I spoke of one species turning into another, I was speaking in the specific context of fish mutation into amphibians, reptiles, whatever, and eventually mammals... or a phenomenon similar to that we simply don't see it in today's creatures.

 

[Spiderman]

We see mutations all the time in the 21st century! We have seen new species evolve. Now, given that we have written records for only the past 5000 years or so, we don't expect to see the large scale changes that happen over tens of millions of years. But we do see changes that if added up will lead to those large scale changes.

There are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Whenever variation is pushed to extremes by selective breeding (to get the most milk from cows, sugar from beets, bristles on fruit flies, or any other characteristic), the line becomes sterile and dies out. And as one characteristic increases, others diminish. But evolutionists want you to believe that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles.

 

[Cacotopia]

Every species alive today is a transitional species, every child is the next step in evolution, you can't for the most part see the changes physically. Blue eyes come from Neanderthalis Homo a little over 10k years ago. Ancient Homo Sapiens interbred with Neanderthals. Vestigial organs and structures are a great example of evolution, the cossax bone, or tail bone, the appendix, the muscles around our ears, wisdom teeth. In the womb we got tails, we don't need the appendix cause for most of society we cook our meat, ears are in a fixed position, and our use of utensils for millennia has caused a shrinking of the jaw.

Average height maybe. Dark ages being 6' was huge I'm considered very tall at 6'8" the average height of humans has been on the rise. Go to almost anywhere with ancient structures and look at the doorways. they are hella short, I have doubts that they would make them shorter than their average selves to be inconvenient on purpose.

A fish didn't lay an egg and an amphibian came out. if this is your understanding of how evolution operates this is a problem.