Ayran is synonymous with Sanskrit, and what all happened to the people who speak the Tamil language

[GoodAttention]

Your first statement is true. I would not be so harsh on Ajay Pratap Singh.
Most probably, he is a young person studying history and perhaps some day he will rise above caste prejudices and be a true historian.

Tamil has been given all due respect. It is a state language and also is classified along with Sanskrit as a classical language.
But Tamils need to understand that only Hindi can be the common language of India without disrespect to other languages (and not be carried away by misleading political or religious stances).

Hindi (43.63%)
Bengali (8.30%)
Marathi (6.83%)
Telugu (6.70%)
Tamil (5.70%)
Gujarati (4.58%)

Languages of India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Further questions for you @Aupmanyav

In today's world, does India need a common language?
Shouldn't that language be English?

It is not the problem of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala, Andra Pradesh etc. that they are better educated that their northern "relatives". Enforcing Hindi to be learnt by the children of these states should be a choice, not a requirement. Those that speak the Dravidian languages have put up with Sankritization and Brahmin influence for millenia, and it is my determination that there be no further imposition.

The only way for those in Delhi, Chandigarh, Patna, Ranchi, and so one to be brought down a peg or two is to establish the true historical value of Tamil and "Proto-Dravidian". For this, we need to allow exploration, and unfortunately, without a change in government in India, the voice for Dravidian consideration will be continuously be swept to the side to make way for Indo-European fiction, or worse, the truth labelled as a "low-caste" fallacy.

We don't even need to look past this forum to see the evidence of that.

 

[GoodAttention]

@River Sea

You asked this in another thread, I am bringing into this thread.

How has Hebrew scriptures give reason about birthed and bathed in shallower oceans, who was prefect ruler during this time?

How has Ancient Egypt area of land changed from 20,000 years ago? What was flooding 20,000 years ago compared to flooding during Noah and Vaivaswat Manu, 3000 BCE? What were the similarities and differences in these flooding?


I am giving the Tamil correlation to the name Noah.

நுகம்​

nukam n. yuga. 1. [K. noga,M. nukam.] Yoke; காளையின்கழுத்தில் பூட்டப்படும்மரம். எருதே யிளைய நுகமுண ராவே (புறநா. 102).2. See நுகத்தாணி (அரு. நி ) 3. Burden,weight; பாரம் வையம் . . . காக்கும் படுநுகம் பூண்பல் (சீவக. 203). 4. Power, strength; வலிமை தெவ்வர் தேஎ நுகம்படக் கடந்து (மலைபடு. 87). 5.


There are two interesting descriptions that the dictionary gives, the first is yuga which is the Sanskrit equivalent meaning a period of time. The second is yoke, which (almost) always describes an instrument which connects two animals for the purpose of ploughing.

It is my belief that when we read the story in Genesis there are 2 Noahs, one "real-time" and the other more ancient, going back to when sea levels were at their lowest. When we read "flooding", this is not how we would experience such a climatic event in days or weeks, but over thousands and thousands of years as ice on mountain tops melt and the sea rises.

The word I have translated ends in an "im", but if we are to use it as a name for a person then I can see the sense in dropping the last letter, leaving Nuka. As the k sound becomes a h sound, this is then Nuha or Nua.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Shouldn't that language be English?

It is not the problem of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala, Andra Pradesh etc. that they are better educated that their northern "relatives". Enforcing Hindi to be learnt by the children of these states should be a choice, not a requirement. Those that speak the Dravidian languages have put up with Sankritization and Brahmin influence for millenia, and it is my determination that there be no further imposition.

The only way for those in Delhi, Chandigarh, Patna, Ranchi, and so one to be brought down a peg or two is to establish the true historical value of Tamil and "Proto-Dravidian". For this, we need to allow exploration, and unfortunately, without a change in government in India, the voice for Dravidian consideration will be continuously be swept to the side to make way for Indo-European fiction, or worse, the truth labelled as a "low-caste" fallacy.

We don't even need to look past this forum to see the evidence of that.

If it is English, then it leaves out the majority of Indians all over India including Tamilnadu.

You are talking only of cities. North India city people too know English well. But majority of Indians live in villages.
Nobody has been stopped for using the local language in any state, and English when necessary. UPSC and other organizations accept answers in nearly all languages of India. I have read about a person who cleared the IAS examination with Arabic as the language.
People can use Hindi as the link language. No pass for fail for Hindi. Tamil has been using Sanskrit words for a long time.

What do you mean by Brahmanism and how does knowing or learning Hindi brings in Brahmanism? Does knowing or learning English brings in Christianity? Having used English all my life, has it made me a Christian? (Of course, I do not claim that I have the final solution for this problem)
That is not true. I love Tamil as my 'Chiththi'. Really. For me, all languages of India are sacrosanct, including the beautiful Urdu language. I am coming back from a family gathering just now after meeting with my Madurai-origin sister-in-law and her Kashmiri-Tamil daughter. A beautiful lotus-eyed girl, she could very well have been a film actress.

Oh, you want a change in Indian government? What sort of change do you want? A Tamil anti-Hindu government? Wikipedia tells me that 85% of the people in Tamilnadu are Hindus. Is the historical value of Tamil not already established? What more you want to add to it?

If you are bothered by the fading system of castes, then vote for BJP. BJP wants to bring reservation on basis of economic status and not on caste. It is the Opposition including the Indian National Congress which insists on a nation-wide caste census. You should not support them. It was Rajiv Gandhi who told the Supreme Court that reservation should be based on caste. The Opposition wants to perpetuate the caste system.

 

[GoodAttention]

If it is English, then it leaves out the majority of Indians all over India including Tamilnadu.

Perhaps they are better educated in South India, but you are talking only of cities. Majority of Indians live in villages.
Nobody has been stopped for using the local language in any state, and English when necessary. UPSC and other organizations accept answers in nearly all languages of India. I have read about a person who cleared the IAS examination with Arabic as the language. People can use Hindi as the link language. No pass for fail for Hindi. Tamil has been using Sanskrit words for a long time.

What do you mean by Brahmanism and how does knowing or learning Hindi brings in Brahmanism? Does knowing or learning English brings in Christianity? Having used English all my life, has it made me a Christian? (Of course, I do not claim that I have the final solution for this problem)
That is not true. I love Tamil as my 'Chiththi'. Really. For me, all languages of India are sacrosanct, including the beautiful Urdu language.

I say Brahminism because it is usually this group in Tamil Nadu that has pushed for Hindi.

Anti-Hindi agitation of 1937–1940 - Wikipedia

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Oh, you want a change in Indian government? What sort of change do you want? A Tamil anti-Hindu government? Wikipedia tells me that 85% of the people in Tamilnadu are Hindus. Is the historical value of Tamil not already established? What more you want to add to it?
If you are bothered by the fading system of castes, then vote for BJP. BJP wants to bring reservation on basis of economic status and not on caste. It is the Opposition including the Indian National Congress which insists on a nation-wide caste census. You should not support them. It was Rajiv Gandhi who told the Supreme Court that reservation should be based on caste. The Opposition wants to perpetuate the caste system.

I do not want to change the Indian government, and the caste system cannot be changed in the hearts of minds of Indians overnight.

However, unlike others I see the reality of the BJP, which for all its merits, is still a government that champions Vaishnavism first. For me, this leaves no room for any other "Hindu" beliefs and history. By this I mean the Vedas and Sanskrit will always come first, and yes I know Saivism also holds these to be true, BUT to me Vaishnavism will always be a fallacy.

My only interest is in exploring the history of the Tamil language, and by extension Indian history itself. I am asking for the same support for Tamil that Sanskrit and Aryan theories are getting.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I say Brahminism because it is usually this group in Tamil Nadu that has pushed for Hindi.

Anti-Hindi agitation of 1937–1940 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I do not want to change the Indian government, and the caste system cannot be changed in the hearts of minds of Indians overnight.

However, unlike others I see the reality of the BJP, which for all its merits, is still a government that champions Vaishnavism first. For me, this leaves no room for any other "Hindu" beliefs and history. By this I mean the Vedas and Sanskrit will always come first, and yes I know Saivism also holds these to be true, BUT to me Vaishnavism will always be a fallacy.

My only interest is in exploring the history of the Tamil language, and by extension Indian history itself. I am asking for the same support for Tamil that Sanskrit and Aryan theories are getting.

I do not see anything wrong in Hindi being the link-language in India. All that anti-Hindi agitation has brought about is the supremacy of the Karunanidhi family and has made them obscenely rich. And now the grandson, Udayanidhi is the Deputy Chief Minister.
Is not Kannada used in Karnataka, is not Telugu used in Andhra and Telangana, is not Marathi used in Maharashtra, is not Gujarati used in Gujarat, is not Odiya used in Odisha, is not Bengali used in W. Bengal, is not Assmese used in Assam, is not Punjabi used in Punjab, is not Kashmiri used in Kashmir? Which state has not been allowed to use its local language? Then what is the difference in Tamilnadu? Has anyone objected to the use of Tamil in Tamilnadu?
Caste system cannot be abolished till reservation is on basis of caste. It can very well be on the basis of economic status. What happens now is that the rich reap the benefit which were supposed to reach the poor.
Strict Advaita Hinduism, which does not accept any kind of differentiation (be it humans, animals, vegetation or even non-living substances). I am a strong atheist and a staunch Advaitist. I do not except the existence of any God or Goddess, any prophet/son/messenger/manifesttion/mahdi from any God. What evidence does anyone have for it? If you want to abandon fallacies, then abandon them all. My community is largely Shaiva (Kashmiris).
At the moment, Tamil is used only as a political tool. I am aware of the history of Tamil. Perhaps the first written words in India were not in Kharoshti or Brahmi, but perhaps Tamil. I have read that writing in Tamil is as old as 600 BCE. You may know better about it.

 

[GoodAttention]

The timeline I am focused on is the following

(1) 3000 BCE and prior, specifically trade between Indian communinities and Ancient Egypt.
(2) 4.2ky event, and the movements of people around this time
(3) 1900 BCE when the migrations both into and out of, the Indus valley started

Any reference to dates later than this, example 1500 BCE or thereabouts, and any connection to the Exodus book of the Hebrew scriptures, I make zero comment on. I don't know about trade in ancient times, hence why I am also asking the questions.

Yes the 4.2ky (kiloyear) event, the time period circa 2200BCE-1900BCE is, in my opinion, very important since

(1) It is described and researched using scientific method that includes archaeology
(2) It relates to change in climate the resulted in the forced movement of peoples around the world (climate refugees)
(3) We have evidence of such movements of people in different areas of the world

In the Hebrew scriptures this is referred to specifically when describing

(1) Peleg - during whos time the "Earth was divided"
(2) The potential movement of the patriarchs from the Levant eastward
(3) Leading to the birth of Abram in a "foreign" place

Continuing the consideration of Tamil loanwords within the Hebrew Scriptures, I give my attempt at phonetic translations.

Peleg

பெலக்க​

pelkk inf. [com. for பலக்க, which see.] To become strong, mighty, &c.

Reu/Rhagau

அறை​

aṟai

s. T sound of a letter, எழுத்தினோசை. 2. A word or sentence as uttered (not as written), சொல்.

Serug

சேர​

cēra adv. சேர்¹-. 1. Altogether,wholly; முழுதும் சேர வாருஞ் செகத்தீரே (தாயு.காடுங்கரையும். 2). 2. [T. cērika.] Alongwith, in company with; கூட (W.) 3. [T.cēruva.] Near; அணித்தாக. சேரப்போ.

The word is interesting because it describes the "joining together" or to make whole.

சேருகம்​

cērukam s. a kind of bird that is taught to talk, நாகணவாய்ப்புள்.

ககம்
kakam n. kha-ga. 1. Bird ingeneral, from its moving in the air;

Separating this word, what is interesting is "taught to talk" remains.


Nahor

நா​

nā நாவு, நாக்கு, s. the tongue; 2. the tongue or clapper of a bell; 3. the bolt of a lock; 4. the mouth-piece of a musical instrument; 5. flame, தீச்சுவாலை; 6. the middle, the centre, நடு.

ஊர்​

ūr s. a village, a town, புரம்; 2. a country, நாடு; 3. halo round the sun or moon, பரிவேடம்; 4. shield, கேடயம்.


The land of tongues, or the land of languages. Interestingly, the Tamils refers to Saraswati as நாமகள் (Namahal), or Daughter of the tounge/learning.

To become skilled in joining together words that are heard in the Land of Tongues.


Terah

தார(கன்)​

tārakaṉ n. dhāraka. Protector, preserver; ஆதாரமானவன்.

தார(கன்)​

tārakaṉ n. tāraka. 1. One who helps in crossing or overcoming;


This one is the most fascinating in my opinion, because it answers the question as to who Terah was, and why he started the journey out of Ur Kasdim.


Edit - Reviewed the phonetic translations

 

[Aupmanyav]

Sorry, friend. I do not seek meaning of Tamil words in Hebrew scriptures. You are welcome to do so.
For me, Palakku from Palyanka is OK.

https://www.learnsanskrit.cc/translate?search=palyanka&dir=au

 

[GoodAttention]

Continuing on with the theory that the Hebrew patriarchs travelled east, I will attempt to give as accurate phonetic translations.

Abram

அப்பர்​

appar n. 1. Ram, he-goat;

The adding of m at the end could signify "the", or the man who is. This then becomes அப்பரம். This word I believe is also used colloquially to ask or say "and then", perhaps telling that the name will change.

Sarai

சார்​

cār --சாரு, கிறேன், ந்தேன், வேன், சார, v. n. To lean upon, to recline against, சாய. 2. To rest on or in, to repose on, to depend on, to adhere to, பற்றிக்கொள்ள. 3. To apply to, to resort to, to take shelter or refuge with, அடைய. 4. To approach, to approximate, to incline towards, அணுக. 5. To gain access to, to reach, to arrive at, கிட்ட. 6. To side with, to join a party ஓர்பாற்சார. 7. To be attached to, connected with, &c., அனுசாரமாக. 8. To be biassed or warped in judgment, to be partial to, நடுநிலைகோண. (c.) 9. To be adjacent, contig uous, to join, அடுக்க. 1. To come on- as events, disease, &c., சுகதுக்கங்கள்சார. 11. To tend or incline towards--as in color, smell, taste, temper, quality, &c., பொ ருந்த.--Note. The verb sometimes con veys a transitive sense. அழகுசார்ந்தபூ. The beautiful flower. (p.) நான்போய்ச்சார்ந்தவிடம். The party with which I am connected by affinity or marriage. (c.)

The name is only complete when adding a Tamil letter to the end, ஐ or ai. This is specifically a vowel, and of the 12 vowels in Tamil it stands alone. It has a deeper meaning related to motherhood I hope to write about later. Written out in full the name is சார்ஐ.

Abraham

அப்பிரகம்​

appirakam s. Mica or talc, ஓர்வகைலோகக்கல். Wils. p. 59. AB'H RAKA. Of this are five kinds:1. பொன் னப்பிரகம், gold-colored mica. 2. வெள்ளி யப்பிரகம், silver-colored mica. 3. தேனப் பிரகம், honey-colored mica. 4. கிருஷ்ணாப் பிரகம், black-colored mica. 5. கெந்தகாப் பிரகம்; yellow-colored mica.

Mica is interesting for many reasons, but I believe the metaphor for the name is because a single "book" can be divided into many sheets, signifying the many descendants the will come from Abraham. Mica is also ground to give paint, and has medicinal properties.


Sarah

சாராக​

cārāka adv. சார்² + ஆ-. Benami;மலரனையாக. Nāñ.

Benami is a South Asian term "denoting a purchase of property that is conducted in such a way as to conceal the identity of the true buyer". The name is given the moment she is blessed to give Abraham a son. The "ka" which is added to make feminine is not needed as it is already implied in many ways, including her previous name, and that she is to now become a mother. The "ka" is also then given to Isaac.

Isaac

ஈச(க்க)ன்​

īcaṉ * n. īša. 1. Supreme Being; Lord of the universe;

If we are to describe how Isaac came to exist, we could say he is "of/by/from God", but by adding the (க்க) to make icaakkan, the word collapses since it now says "God's eye". I believe this is what makes the name humerous within the Hebrew context, and hence why it has the meaning it does. To keep the meaning without the idolotry, the name is shortened to icaak, or ஈசக்.

Rebekkah

ரப்பை(க்க)​

rappai n. Eyelid. See இரப்பை.

The poetry of this name speaks for itself. Adding the same two letters as for Isaac, the name is both complete and made feminine, but also the coupling of the two individuals, given it then translates to "inside the eyelid".

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I keep seeing Proto-Indo-European in the discussions. How come? When before @Aupmanyav explained that European words need to be in another thread.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala changed his views when trading with Europeans in ancient India from 300 BCE to 1500 BCE., please @Bharat Jhunjhunwala explain what caused this change of views? Is it because this word European is located in ancient central Asia instead of further north? Because ancient central asia was where in 1500 BCE was it closer to ancient India? Will you please show me map where you @Bharat Jhunjhunwala think where European ancient central Asia was located during 1500 BCE?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala wrote, "at around 1500 BCE some traders brought the Proto-Indo-European language from Central Asia to the Indus Valley. At this same time, Moses led the people of the Indus Valley on the exodus to West Asia. So, there was a two-way movement in 1500 BCE."

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala keeps changing his views when trading happens. Keep this in mind @Aupmanyav maybe @Bharat Jhunjhunwala is in the process of learning when? Because it's now earlier 1500 BCE when trading, because before it was 300 BCE. So there's a change and I'm asking what caused the change? You @Aupmanyav have trading and merging from 5000 BCE from Afghanistan to in ancient India - would that be where @Bharat Jhunjhunwala think's where ancient Asia was Afghanistan? However only trading and no merging, and no invading. I never claimed invading as I understood OIT. The question in this post is @Bharat Jhunjhunwala changing when trading as he changes it from 300 BCE to 1500 BCE. Due to the word European is Asia. So would Asia be Afghanistan back in 1500 BCE @Bharat Jhunjhunwala

@GoodAttention What are your thoughts on the Europeans during 1900 BCE, and where were the Europeans from Central Asia? Can you show me a map, and were they trading in Ancient India during 1900 BCE?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims that Europeans from Central Asia traded in ancient India during 1500 BCE; were Europeans from Central Asia trading in Ancient India during 1900 BCE as well? @GoodAttention

However keep in mind @GoodAttention in another post @Bharat Jhunjhunwala was claiming 300 BCE when this trading happened, so I'm wondering what caused the change of when? Is it realizing this word Europeans located but where was ancient Asia during 1900 BCE and @Bharat Jhunjhunwala when ancient Asia during 1500 BCE., because when I see ancient Asia at a later date such as this website below, it shows a greater area then when 1900 BCE? and 1500 BCE?

Website not showing during 1900 BCE or 1500 BCE however still interesting showing central-asia -- so @Bharat Jhunjhunwala and @GoodAttention where was ancient central asia around 1500 BCE and 1900 BCE? Compared to this map showing ancient central asia at a later dates?

Central Asia Map of Mints

ancientnomosart.org

ANCIENT CENTRAL ASIA MINTS MAP LEGEND

Please follow the links below to see enlarged coin details, attribution and additional documentation.

1. TARSOS, CILICIA

Datames Silver Stater – 384-362 BC.

2. TARSOS, CILICIA

Persian Cilicia Stater – 361-334 BC.

3. PHASELIS, LYCIA

Phaselis Silver Stater – Circa 350 BC.

4. KROMNA, PAPHLAGONIA

Persic Silver Drachm – Circa 340 BC.

5. MERV(?), BAKTRIA

Silver Tetradrachm – 200-185 BC.

6. ANTIOCHIA MAGIANA(?), BAKTRIA

Commemorative Silver Tetradrachm – 170 BC.

7. UNKNOWN MINT, BAKTRIA

Silver drachm – 150-130 BC.

8. EKBATANA, PARTHIA

Mithradates II Silver Drachm – 119-109 BC.

9. PUSHKALAVATI(?), BAKTRIA

Rare Bearded Strato I Drachm – 85 BC.

10. BANNU, INDO-SCYTHIA

Azes I Silver Tetradrachm – 57-35 BC.

11. LAODICEA AD MARE, PROVINCIAL ROME

Roman Silver Tetradrachm – 209-211 AD.

12. CTESIPHON, SASANIAN EMPIRE

Ardashir I Coronation Drachm – 233-238 AD.

13. ALEXANDRIA, PROVINCIAL ROME

Philip I Tetradrachm – 244 AD.

14. AXUM, AKSUMITE KINGDOM

Ousanas I Gold 1/2 Solidus – 300-330 AD.

15. AMID-KAVAD(?), SASANIAN KINGDOM

Hustav II Silver Drachm – 627/8 AD.

16. HEKATOMPYLOS, PARTHIA

Phriapatios Silver Drachm – 185-170 BC.

The entire Ancient Nomos Art Central Asia Gallery may be viewed here:

ANAM Ancient Central Asia Gallery

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I did not change my views on this. There was some confusion earlier. I always held PIE atv1500 bce. Thx

 

[River Sea]

PIE atv1500 bce

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala can you explain more about PIE 1500 BCE and what is atv

 

[River Sea]

For example, the non-Indo-European Harappan culture had nothing to do with cuneiform writing, and it is not known even to have been related to Dravidian culture or Tamil

I'll look up later if Cuneiform has any related to Dravidian culture or Tamil. I yet need to look up Cuneiform.

@Copernicus
You're welcome in this thread because it's a place to learn. I'm learning too.

I'm going to need to find the dates when about cuneiform writing

This is what I found online about Cuneiform.

Cuneiform
Time period	c. 3100 BC – 2nd century AD
Direction	Left-to-right
Region	Sumer , Mesopotamia , Modern Iraq
Languages	Sumerian, Akkadian, Eblaite, Elamite, Hittite, Hurrian, Luwian, Urartian, Palaic, Aramaic, Old Persian

Later I'll learn what are Cuneiform?

Please understand I can get things wrong. And many times it's my first time learning about things.

Please feel welcome in this thread please.

I have this thread for us to learn and even be wrong at times too.

I learn when I'm wrong as well.

 

[River Sea]

Continuing on with the theory that the Hebrew patriarchs travelled east, I will attempt to give as accurate phonetic translations.

Abram

அப்பர்​

appar n. 1. Ram, he-goat;

The adding of m at the end could signify "the", or the man who is. This then becomes அப்பரம். This word I believe is also used colloquially to ask or say "and then", perhaps telling that the name will change.

Sarai

சார்​

cār n. சார்-. [M. cār.] 1. Joining,uniting; கூடுகை. (சூடா.). 2. Place, situation;இடம். (பிங்.). 3. A locative ending; இடப்பொருளுணர்த்தும் ஏழனுருபு. காட்டுச்சார்க் கொய்த சிறுமுல்லை (கலித். 117, 11). 4. Side; பக்கம் பழுமரத்தின் புறத்தொருசார் (திருவிளை. பழியஞ்சு. 12).5. Bund across a river or channel with anopening for placing a fishing net; அணைக்கரை.(W.) 6. Inner verandah under sloping roofsurrounding the inner courtyard of a house;தாழ்வாரம். 7. Kind, class, species; வகை ஒருசாராசிரியர் 8. Beauty, comeliness; அழகு (பிங்.)

The name is only complete when adding a Tamil letter to the end, ஐ or ai. This is specifically a vowel, and of the 12 vowels in Tamil it stands alone. It has a deeper meaning related to motherhood I hope to write about later. Written out in full the name is சார்ஐ.

Abraham

அப்பிரகம்​

appirakam s. Mica or talc, ஓர்வகைலோகக்கல். Wils. p. 59. AB'H RAKA. Of this are five kinds:1. பொன் னப்பிரகம், gold-colored mica. 2. வெள்ளி யப்பிரகம், silver-colored mica. 3. தேனப் பிரகம், honey-colored mica. 4. கிருஷ்ணாப் பிரகம், black-colored mica. 5. கெந்தகாப் பிரகம்; yellow-colored mica.

Mica is interesting for many reasons, but I believe the metaphor for the name is because a single "book" can be divided into many sheets, signifying the many descendants the will come from Abraham. Mica is also ground to give paint, and has medicinal properties.


Sarah

சாராக​

cārāka adv. சார்² + ஆ-. Benami;மலரனையாக. Nāñ.

Benami is a South Asian term "denoting a purchase of property that is conducted in such a way as to conceal the identity of the true buyer". The name is given the moment she is blessed to give Abraham a son. The "ka" which is added to make feminine is not needed as it is already implied in many ways, including her previous name, and that she is to now become a mother. The "ka" is also then given to Isaac.

Isaac

ஈச(க்க)ன்​

īcaṉ * n. īša. 1. Supreme Being; Lord of the universe;

If we are to describe how Isaac came to exist, we could say he is "of/by/from God", but by adding the (க்க) to make icaakkan, the word collapses since it now says "God's eye". I believe this is what makes the name humerous within the Hebrew context, and hence why it has the meaning it does. To keep the meaning without the idolotry, the name is shortened to icaak, or ஈசக்.

Rebekkah

ரப்பை(க்க)​

rappai n. Eyelid. See இரப்பை.

The poetry of this name speaks for itself. Adding the same two letters as for Isaac, the name is both complete and made feminine, but also the coupling of the two individuals, given it then translates to "inside the eyelid".

Scroll up to see in quote it's way on top in your post @GoodAttention you wrote "Continuing on with the theory that the Hebrew patriarchs travelled east, I will attempt to give as accurate phonetic translations."

My question is, "Traveling east to where?

South India, then travel east. Where east are the Hebrews going, or the Hebrew patriarchs going when traveling east?

@GoodAttention thankyou for showing Tamil language

 

[GoodAttention]

Scroll up to see in quote it's way on top in your post @GoodAttention you wrote "Continuing on with the theory that the Hebrew patriarchs travelled east, I will attempt to give as accurate phonetic translations."

My question is, "Traveling east to where?

South India, then travel east. Where east are the Hebrews going, or the Hebrew patriarchs going when traveling east?

@GoodAttention thankyou for showing Tamil language

My theory is the patriarchs started in the Levant or northern Mesopotamia, when the Akkadian Empire was in control since circa 2300BCE. When the 4.2ky event started in the Middle East approximately 2170BCE there was an movement of peoples from northern Mesopotamia into the south, however this caused much social unrest that a 180km wall termed "Repeller of the Amorites" was built to stop this movement.

Around the same time Egypt was experiencing a famine from the changes in climate and lower Nile river flow so they could not go west, hence it would make more sense that the patriarchs travel east, given this area was less affected at the time, and because there was knowledge of peoples that they could seek assistance from, being the Indus Valley Civilization.

The alternative would have been to travel north, but I don't think this would have been a better option for them given it was less familiar, and perhaps not ideal given they were herders.

So, in my opinion, Peleg started the journey taking them from northern Mesopotamia to the Indus Valley, and Terah with Abraham travelled back to the Levant about 280 years later.


Thank you @River Sea I do appreciate your interest and discussion greatly.

4.2-kiloyear event - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Aupmanyav]

Make up your stories like the OT and NT did. Of course, Hindu scriptures too. No problem.

 

[GoodAttention]

Make up your stories like the OT and NT did. Of course, Hindu scriptures too. No problem.

Do not fear the Tamil language friend, unlike Sanskrit it will not die of shame.

 

[River Sea]

Terah with Abraham travelled

Terah was the father of Abram, who was later renamed Abraham.

In this post, I question how Terah and Abram got along when traveling.

Further down this post @GoodAttention shows in the Tamil language that Terah was a protector, preserver, and helps crossing or overcoming.

Yet I questioned what all Terah protected and preserved and helped cross or overcome when he couldn't protect and preserve his merchandise from his own son Abram from destroying, and how did Terah and Abram get along when traveling, resolving their issues so they could travel together?

Does the Tamil language explain how Terah and Abram got along when traveling?

Reasons why I wonder how?

Abram destroyed Terah's merchandise that he was going to sell.

How did Terah and Abram resolve their relationship so that they could travel together after what Abram did with Terah's merchandise?

Terah believed differently than his son Abram, and Abram did destruction to his father's merchandise that showed what Terah believed in.

Did Abram steal from Terah words and items when destroying Terah's merchandise that he was planning on selling? Also, how did Abram influence all these people who had the beliefs that Terah had and cause this change, yet Terah and Abram travel together? How did they get along when traveling?

Did Abram steal Terah's items and Terah's words?

Here's @GoodAttention quote showing from Tamil language how Terah is a protector, preserver, and helps crossing or overcoming.

Terah

தார(கன்)​

tārakaṉ n. dhāraka. Protector, preserver; ஆதாரமானவன்.

தார(கன்)​

tārakaṉ n. tāraka. 1. One who helps in crossing or overcoming;


This one is the most fascinating in my opinion, because it answers the question as to who Terah was, and why he started the journey out of Ur Kasdim.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do not fear the Tamil language friend, unlike Sanskrit it will not die of shame.

Fear! I love it. Fear ille. Like the various variations of dosas. Love Vara as much as I love samosas. And no one can make better Sambhar than my wife. I could drink a whole pitcher.

 

[River Sea]

My theory is the patriarchs started in the Levant or northern Mesopotamia, when the Akkadian Empire was in control since circa 2300BCE.

So 2300 BCE was when starting in the Levant when the Akkadian Empire was in control.
Early Dynastic IIIB 2500–2334 BC
Dynasty of Akkad (Sargon the Great) 2334–2154 BC

@GoodAttention While the Early Dynastic IIIB and Dynasty of Akkad (Sargon the Great) were happening and you @GoodAttention explained that the Tamil language didn't come from the Akkadian, then during this time from people who spoke the Tamil language, did they during this time have three zones, and was this Ancient Southern India where these three zones were?

Example of zones in another thread, however, I wonder if the people who spoke Tamil also had these same three zones.

What was used for economic interests in Zone 2 that the Israelites and Egyptians had? There are 3 zones, and I learned it's zone 2, in the middle that shows economic interests to impress. But what was it that they used to impress that's in zone 2? Did they ever trade in zone 2?

@GoodAttention
When reading the PDF further below in this post showing zones below

Keep in mind: I'm not saying this is the date and areas that you're referring to: when reading this PDF, I'm showing zone structures, and did the people who spoke Tamil also use these zone structures too, or something similar, during 2300 BCE

Here's the PDF

Biblical Claims About Solomon’s Kingdom in Light of Egyptian “Three-Zone” Ideology of Territory

Biblical Claims About Solomon’s Kingdom in Light of Egyptian “Three-Zone” Ideology of Territory

www.academia.edu

 

[GoodAttention]

Terah was the father of Abram, who was later renamed Abraham.

In this post, I question how Terah and Abram got along when traveling.

Further down this post @GoodAttention shows in the Tamil language that Terah was a protector, preserver, and helps crossing or overcoming.

Yet I questioned what all Terah protected and preserved and helped cross or overcome when he couldn't protect and preserve his merchandise from his own son Abram from destroying, and how did Terah and Abram get along when traveling, resolving their issues so they could travel together?

Does the Tamil language explain how Terah and Abram got along when traveling?

Reasons why I wonder how?

Abram destroyed Terah's merchandise that he was going to sell.

How did Terah and Abram resolve their relationship so that they could travel together after what Abram did with Terah's merchandise?

Terah believed differently than his son Abram, and Abram did destruction to his father's merchandise that showed what Terah believed in.

Did Abram steal from Terah words and items when destroying Terah's merchandise that he was planning on selling? Also, how did Abram influence all these people who had the beliefs that Terah had and cause this change, yet Terah and Abram travel together? How did they get along when traveling?

Did Abram steal Terah's items and Terah's words?

Here's @GoodAttention quote showing from Tamil language how Terah is a protector, preserver, and helps crossing or overcoming.

@River Sea

I had a very good discussion about Terah which will answer your questions about my opinion, with thanks to @Ehav4Ever

Torath Mosheh / Orthodox Judaism - The History of Terah and his family

Side question. The Hebrew scriptures were allowed to be translated into Koine Greek, which I would conclude was not against any law as such? Actually, that is not true. It was not the Jewish community in Israel that "allowed" a translation to be made into Greek. According to some historians the...

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I believe Terah is misunderstood, and there is more to the relationship between Terah and Abram than meets the eye.

Here is the 70th verse from the Virtue book of the Thirukkural (translated).

-To sire, what best requital can by grateful child be done? To make men say, 'What merit gained the father such a son?'

 

[GoodAttention]

Fear! I love it. Fear ille. Like the various variations of dosas. Love Vara as much as I love samosas. And no one can make better Sambhar than my wife. I could drink a whole pitcher.

Aiyo sambhar, கண்ணில் பார்க்க முடியாது! (I will not even look at it!)

Except when it is part of a thali with a ghee dosa, paper thin of course.

Speaking of which, in the south the thali is tied at marriage, do you also have this custom?