Bad Idea to Fight ISIL

[pro4life]

Lets think this for a moment from an unbiased view and conscious. One philosopher once said,"Consider the option that your enemy is right".

What we hear from the news is not new to us. The media throughout history shows that when it comes to foreign policy they will lie to the public advertently to satisfy governments wishes. They have done that in the past against the Nazis, Japanese, Viets, Koreans, Chinese and the list can go on. There was this little girl in elementary that sent a letter to John F. Kennedy which wrote that Santa is mad that the Soviets are testing Nuclear weapons. But my question is what if Santa himself was a Soviet.

In regard to the losses the U.S will gain from the war will be mountainous. No lesson learned from the previous wars that accumulated against the declining dollar and raising debt. The country is flailing to keep itself together and well on its way into a massive fragmentation uncapable of adhesively returning as a whole.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Any group who spreads fear, butchers innocents, and rules by the sword deserves to be blown off the face of the planet. Though this cannot be the only measures taken to combat the larger problems, the ones who will not lay down their arms and give up their violent ways are no different than a rabid dog that must be put down for the safety of all.
However, it should not be expected that this task falls solely on America.

 

[Faybull]

Lets think this for a moment from an unbiased view and conscious. One philosopher once said,"Consider the option that your enemy is right".

What we hear from the news is not new to us. The media throughout history shows that when it comes to foreign policy they will lie to the public advertently to satisfy governments wishes. They have done that in the past against the Nazis, Japanese, Viets, Koreans, Chinese and the list can go on. There was this little girl in elementary that sent a letter to John F. Kennedy which wrote that Santa is mad that the Soviets are testing Nuclear weapons. But my question is what if Santa himself was a Soviet.

In regard to the losses the U.S will gain from the war will be mountainous. No lesson learned from the previous wars that accumulated against the declining dollar and raising debt. The country is flailing to keep itself together and well on its way into a massive fragmentation uncapable of adhesively returning as a whole.

It is commonly referred to as the lie we are told, is a lesser of two evils. Never comprehending the truth of it still being "evil". It is "coupon math".

 

[pro4life]

Any group who spreads fear, butchers innocents, and rules by the sword deserves to be blown off the face of the planet. Though this cannot be the only measures taken to combat the larger problems, the ones who will not lay down their arms and give up their violent ways are no different than a rabid dog that must be put down for the safety of all.
However, it should not be expected that this task falls solely on America.

Based on your algorithm, America falls into the equation.

 

[Lyndon]

I don't think ISIS/Al Qaeda is a powerful enough or popular enough force that the situation cannot be completely taken care of by Middle Eastern and Muslim countries alone, these guys are apostates to Islam, killing Innocent Muslims, Christians etc. America's involvement against them just makes them MORE popular, because America is about as unpopular in Islamic countries, as ISIS and Al Qaeda are unpopular to Islam..

 

[Jumi]

Daesh are killing off non-Sunni minorities men and taking the women as sex slaves. That much is known and it doesn't seem the neighboring governments except Iran are doing much.

 

[Revoltingest]

Bad things will happen in many foreign countries. But it's generally not worth the cost in lives, dollars & political turmoil to go there & fix these people.

 

[Flankerl]

I don't think ISIS/Al Qaeda is a powerful enough or popular enough force that the situation cannot be completely taken care of by Middle Eastern and Muslim countries alone

Au contraire.
Turkey alone could exterminate them. Add to that the countries of the entire Arabian peninsula (except Yemen because... well...) and you got more than enough idiots to screw the light bulb in.

It's just that they choose not to because they want "The West" to do it. Such an adventure would lead to Muslim/civilian casualties and such casualties are best explained if non-Muslims are responsible.




Long story short: Never trust the Arab countries.

 

[Nietzsche]

Au contraire.
Turkey alone could exterminate them. Add to that the countries of the entire Arabian peninsula (except Yemen because... well...) and you got more than enough idiots to screw the light bulb in.

It's just that they choose not to because they want "The West" to do it. Such an adventure would lead to Muslim/civilian casualties and such casualties are best explained if non-Muslims are responsible.




Long story short: Never trust the Arab countries.

Turkey isn't Arabic.

 

[Flankerl]

Never claimed it was.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The media throughout history shows that when it comes to foreign policy they will lie to the public advertently to satisfy governments wishes. They have done that in the past against the Nazis, ...

For example?

 

[BSM1]

Any group who spreads fear, butchers innocents, and rules by the sword deserves to be blown off the face of the planet. Though this cannot be the only measures taken to combat the larger problems, the ones who will not lay down their arms and give up their violent ways are no different than a rabid dog that must be put down for the safety of all.
However, it should not be expected that this task falls solely on America.

Agreed, but America is a very large and prestigious target.

 

[Ultimatum]

Based on your algorithm, America falls into the equation.

This is true.
However, one does it in the name of ridiculous, shambolic claims. And the other does it in the name of "national security". And let's not forget that it is NOT America that performs the horrid things that they have done: but it is the politicians and businessmen. And everyone wants these people to be held accountable and prosecuted: even Americans themselves.

ISIS should be a quiet happiness to Muslims. What they do is in line with Islamic teachings.
Corporate businessmen and politicians should be a loud disgust of Americans. What they do is not in line with the American viewpoint.

Two different stories.

 

[pro4life]

For example?

They said Nazis ate babies.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

They said Nazis ate babies.

Evidence?

 

[Lyndon]

I thought Charlie Hebdo were also rabid anti semites, and now you support them Jay??

 

[bretzter]

Well all I can say is,God´s thoughts are not men´s thoughts.
Do unto to others as you want others to do unto you.
Or what you do any one them that believe in me,is like doing
it to me.
Do you not think Christ will act on behalf of his servants once
he returns to earth a second time?.
Only this time it won´t be in a fleshly form,but in spirit.
Laugh all yo want now,but that laugh will be wiped off of your face
when he returns to take vengeance and execute judgement on
all men.
These guys who are going around chopping peoples heads
off their shoulders now,will be those whose heads will roll when
true justice is ultimately served.
Of their own free will they just chose not to know it.
They will not even know what hit them when it hits them.
How is it they will stand and fight against someone/something
that they can´t even see to fight?.

 

[Augustus]

How is it they will stand and fight against someone/something
that they can´t even see to fight?.

By copying Arnie's tactics from the movie 'Predator'?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

ISIS is cruel satanic group in the eyes of many muslims.
Otherwise muslims would never flee from Raqqa and Mosul.

They claim Caliphate but what is the point of caliphate when Muslims are leaving you?
Muslims never left the true caliphates.

 

[Seeker of the Ancients]

ISIL needs to be stopped. That much I know. Any group that aims to butcher innocents in order to spread their message of hate and fear can't be allowed to continue their operations, both for the good of the people living under them and for the world as a whole. How we would best go about stopping them however is the tricky part. I'm against a full-blown military campaign as ISIL isn't a faction centered around a specific leader or government. It's centered around a viciously fundamentalist belief. You can't bomb beliefs, and the more you try, the more propaganda the group peddling those beliefs has to use against you.

I'm no expert when it comes to dealing with groups like ISIL and I don't claim to be. That said, I would think that the best way to stop ISIL would be the following:

1. Strengthening the nations and territories surrounding ISIL to better defend themselves from them, using military strikes only when necessary to help these nations regain ground (you can't expect a nation to defend itself if it barely has any land to defend).

2. Increase the levels of general eduction in these surrounding areas, as fundamentalism and lack of education usually go hand in hand. It would help erode their recruitment pool.

3. Push for reform in the nations surrounding ISIL so that all sects of Islam (and by extension religions in general) are embraced. One of the reasons ISIL was able to become so powerful is that it had a huge group of persecuted and marginalized Muslims to recruit from, due to a number of governments (including the most recent Iraqi administration) having discriminated against them (i.e. their particular sect of Islam). Making these people feel as though they have a place in the world outside of ISIL's fold would make recruitment difficult and defection a very real possibility.

4. Actively work to halt the import of supplies and recruits to ISIL by cutting supply lines and securing borders.

5. Increase anti-terrorism efforts globally in order to give ISIL as few incidents to rally around as possible.

6. Above all, world leaders (especially here in the US) need to make it clear to their citizens that these efforts are against a very specific and violent group of individuals and that this is in no way an attack on Islam or Muslims as a whole. Especially in my country, Muslims already feel marginalized enough due to the general anti-Muslim sentiment many people have post 9/11. Hearing your leaders say things like they are "waging a war against evil" (evil in this case meaning Islam) doesn't help matters.