Bahaism, Buddhism and Islam, conflict or one?

[Trailblazer]

Well, empirically and absolutely wrong.

Judaism as a name comes after Judah. Thus, Moses never ever found Judaism by default. This is playing to the Jewish gallery.

Jesus never was a founder of Christianity. This is also playing to the Christian gallery.

I meant that very generally. I meant that Moses is the Messenger of God associated with the Jewish religion and Jesus is the Messenger of God associated with Christianity.

Sorry sis, all of these are proselytising attempts to gather adherents from all of these faiths and that's why you are speaking from an evangelical point of view but not even your own theologies point of view. It is a complete mix up.

Sorry but that is absolutely false. I have no interest in gathering adherents from all of these faiths nor am I speaking from an evangelical point of view. Most of my posts on this forum that are about religion are to Christians and usually only because they posted to me. I do not talk about Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, or Islam because I do not know much about them. I do not even like to talk about religion, as you would see if you looked at my posting activity.

Ill tell you something that Bahaullah says in the Kithab I iqan. He says that Muhammed in the Quran was revealed that he says "I am all the prophets. I am the first Adam, Noah, etc etc". Its not true. There is nothing in the Quran that even comes close. In my opinion this absolute falsehood.

Unless of course you could show me in the Quran where it says so.

You are free to have whatever opinions you want to have. I have no interest in proving anything to you or anyone else as that is not a job I have been given by Baha'u'llah.

 

[firedragon]

I meant that very generally. I meant that Moses is the Messenger of God associated with the Jewish religion and Jesus is the Messenger of God associated with Christianity.

I understand that you mentioned it very generally. But it is important that as anyone who reads your post, if one feels any correction or at least some path is needed it must be shown. I hope you understand.

Sorry but that is absolutely false. I have no interest in gathering adherents

Not YOU. Its your source of information.

You are free to have whatever opinions you want to have. I have no interest in proving anything to you or anyone else as that is not a job I have been given by Baha'u'llah.

It is not my opinion. I quoted you Kithab I iqan. If you want the chapter number, its chapter 60 in the 1893 publication. Unless the chapter has changed later.

So the information given in it is false. If you are not interested in what one believes is is false in your own scripture it is your prerogative sis. No worries. I just quoted it because you were speaking of the Kithab I Iqan and that it mentions Adam and Noah etc. So there is no need to get offended. If you are not interested in your own scripture its fine with me.

Peace.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I have no interest in gathering adherents from all of these faiths nor am I speaking from an evangelical point of view. .. I do not talk about Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, or Islam because I do not know much about them.

**mod edit** You are delighted to talk about other all other religions and then tell us that the uneducated 19th Century Iranian preacher has brought the latest missive from an imaginary entity, God. You tell us that the uneducated 19th Century Iranian preacher is the returning Saoshyant, returning Jesus, the returning Vishnu and the returning Maitreya, all rolled into one. Just as in the case of Judaism and Islam you do not know much about those religions. Now you say that you do not know much about Zoroastrianism, Hinduism and Buddhism. But that does not deter you from making wild claims. Why don't you stop talking about religions that you do not know about? If that is not evangelism, then what is it?

 

[Vinayaka]

As you know well I never try to represent Hindu dharma but only the Tantra viewpoint and Manava (human) dharma. A Tantric viewpoint will never descend to the level of negative geo-sentiment or negative socio-sentiment.

Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna are also God in the form of Taraka Brahma to me, but to me they were also historical personalities, not just epic or mythical figures like Lord Rama.

This viewpoint is not 'my' personal 'viewpoint' but one of the many viewpoints you can find in India. There is no such thing as an official Hindu viewpoint unless you are the one who wants to claim it. And besides that, this is a Tantric viewpoint, not a Hindu one. ;P

Whether Taraka Brahma is God or not is a philosophical discussion. Brahma is Purusha and Prakrti combined, so Brahma/God can never be limited to just one form or personality, but in the case of Taraka Brahma that is different.

Taraka Brahma is nothing inferior or "less" than Brahma as a whole, just philosophically more logical if you consider Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna as historical personalities as well as divine beings.

Thank you for changing the style of writing to make it clear it's your POV, and not fact.

 

[Marcion]

Thank you for changing the style of writing to make it clear it's your POV, and not fact.

Again, since you seem to fail to understand what I said, this is not my point of view but the view of the Tantra ideology I subscribe to.
I have never said that I was representing Hindu dharma (remember: I am non-religious), which you seem to try to be suggesting once again.

Also, again, there is no one orthodox idea about the status of this or that God or Guru, there are no "facts".
So, always keep in mind that everything I write here is about the ideology I subscribe to and has nothing to do with any Hindu dharma. Because I will not keep repeating it.
By the way, this is not the Hindu DIR.

 

[Niblo]

Following.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

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Ill tell you something that Bahaullah says in the Kithab I iqan. He says that Muhammed in the Quran was revealed that he says "I am all the prophets. I am the first Adam, Noah, etc etc". Its not true. There is nothing in the Quran that even comes close. In my opinion this absolute falsehood.

Unless of course you could show me in the Quran where it says so.

@Trailblazer, what @firedragon is referring here is, Bahaullah was making allusion to the Quran verse 4:69. In the Hadithes, when Muhammad was interpreting this verse, He said "I am all the Prophets"

The Hadith can be found easily in Google.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is a lie. You are delighted to talk about other all other religions and then tell us that the uneducated 19th Century Iranian preacher has brought the latest missive from an imaginary entity, God. You tell us that the uneducated 19th Century Iranian preacher is the returning Saoshyant, returning Jesus, the returning Vishnu and the returning Maitreya, all rolled into one.

You do not know my motives, only I know my motives.
Who I talk to and what I say has nothing to do with my MOTIVES. I answer posts because I receive them, just as when I receive e-mails I answer them. For example, overnight, I received six posts from Christians I have to answer. I am anything but delighted to respond to posts and talk about religion. I only do it out of duty. I also answer them because I consider it a common courtesy to answer posts I receive or give them a rating if there is nothing to answer, unless someone is impolite, in which case I might ignore the post.

My husband is a witness and he will testify that I am not delighted to have to answer all these posts because he hears me complaining from the next room.

I have no interest in convincing anyone that my religion is true. As I have told you before, don't post to me and it is unlikely you will get a post from me, unless I see something I consider incorrect, in which case I might say something.

Just as in the case of Judaism and Islam you do not know much about those religions. Now you say that you do not know much about Zoroastrianism, Hinduism and Buddhism. But that does not deter you from making wild claims. Why don't you stop talking about religions that you do not know about?

Please cite me making any claims about religions I do not know about or talking about them, other than that I believe that they are true. Your accusations require evidence but they are false accusations so you won't find any evidence.

If that is not evangelism, then what is it?

It is called answering posts out of common courtesy just like I am answering this post right now.

 

[CG Didymus]

Why don't you think that grades in a school are different? What they have in common is that they are all a school just as religions are all religions, but what we learn in each grade is different and each successive grade is more challenging and more advanced than the previous grade.

Yes, each grade is more advanced. But advanced of what? Similar or the same kind of stuff the previous grade was teaching. It builds on the basics and the things taught in the earlier grades.

Religion is not like that. One religion might totally change everything taught by another religion. To be a Buddhist doesn't make a person less advanced than a Christian. Or a Muslim now doesn't make a person more advanced than a Hindu. Each are teaching different things.

And "only the social laws" change? No, in some cases what is believed about God is changed. Then the other problem... Who wrote the text book. In religion most of the Scriptures of the religion were written by the followers of the prophet... Sometimes way later. So I actually agree with Baha'is when they say that the Scriptures of the older religions aren't necessarily authentic. So we can't trust the information being taught.

So let's say we go to the grade where Hinduism is being taught. What is that 1st grade? Then what's next? Whatever order you want to make it eventually we get to Judaism. Then what? The next grade is Buddhism or Zoroastrianism? Then comes Christianity. Or teacher in that grade tells us things about Jesus that later, in the grades to follow, we are taught that those things are completely wrong.

Then we have the problems of various beliefs within a religion. I don't see it as grades. I think people are learning and dumping dumb religious ideas and practices. And, of course, Baha'is are part of that. They are saying, "This is the truth" and in many cases, it makes what is taught and believed in the earlier religions wrong. And that doesn't happen in school. The High School teacher doesn't reject the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic.

 

[danieldemol]

Ill tell you something that Bahaullah says in the Kithab I iqan. He says that Muhammed in the Quran was revealed that he says "I am all the prophets. I am the first Adam, Noah, etc etc". Its not true. There is nothing in the Quran that even comes close. In my opinion this absolute falsehood.

Are you reffering to this?

'Thus hath Muḥammad, the Point of the Qur’án, revealed: “I am all the Prophets.” Likewise, He saith: “I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus.”'

In it Bahaullah does not say it was revealed in the Quran, He describes Muhammad as the "point" of the Quran then goes on to say Muhammad "revealed" "I am all the Prophets" and "saith" "I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus".

It may most probably be the case that Muhammad never revealed or said these things, but the connection you are making that Muhammad revealed "I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus" *in the Quran* appears to be not what Bahaullah is saying.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, each grade is more advanced. But advanced of what? Similar or the same kind of stuff the previous grade was teaching. It builds on the basics and the things taught in the earlier grades.

Religion is not like that. One religion might totally change everything taught by another religion. To be a Buddhist doesn't make a person less advanced than a Christian. Or a Muslim now doesn't make a person more advanced than a Hindu. Each are teaching different things.

And "only the social laws" change? No, in some cases what is believed about God is changed. Then the other problem... Who wrote the text book. In religion most of the Scriptures of the religion were written by the followers of the prophet... Sometimes way later. So I actually agree with Baha'is when they say that the Scriptures of the older religions aren't necessarily authentic. So we can't trust the information being taught.

So let's say we go to the grade where Hinduism is being taught. What is that 1st grade? Then what's next? Whatever order you want to make it eventually we get to Judaism. Then what? The next grade is Buddhism or Zoroastrianism? Then comes Christianity. Or teacher in that grade tells us things about Jesus that later, in the grades to follow, we are taught that those things are completely wrong.

Then we have the problems of various beliefs within a religion. I don't see it as grades. I think people are learning and dumping dumb religious ideas and practices. And, of course, Baha'is are part of that. They are saying, "This is the truth" and in many cases, it makes what is taught and believed in the earlier religions wrong. And that doesn't happen in school. The High School teacher doesn't reject the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic.

No, the grades of a school analogy is much too simplistic. What Baha'is believe might make what was taught in the earlier religions wrong, but not because whatever scriptures that had are wrong when they were revealed, but rather because they were misunderstood and/or mucked up by the followers of those religions since they were revealed. That is one reason religion needs to be renewed in every age.

From my perspective it is really a moot point what the older religions taught because this is the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah and God is not ordering of the affairs of the world through those religions anymore.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

According to Baha'i beliefs by an arrangement of God the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is only according to one religion at a time. Thus each religion only applies to the age (dispensation) in which it is revealed.

Once a Manifestation of God has completed His Mission on earth, what He revealed is pertinent only until the next Messenger of God appears. Moreover, every time God sends a new Messenger, His Revelation abrogates all the Revelations that came before it and the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is according to the religion that He establishes.

I believe that the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is through the latest Manifestation of God and I believe that Manifestation is Baha'u'llah.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 171

 

[Aupmanyav]

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.”

God / Allah - no proof.
Messenger / Manifestation - no proof.
Traditions of bye-gone ages (without any foundation) - Abrahamic religions.
Yeah, corrupt inclination - self-glorification.

 

[CG Didymus]

No, the grades of a school analogy is much too simplistic. What Baha'is believe might make what was taught in the earlier religions wrong, but not because whatever scriptures that had are wrong when they were revealed, but rather because they were misunderstood and/or mucked up by the followers of those religions since they were revealed. That is one reason religion needs to be renewed in every age.

Okay, what are the God revealed Scriptures of Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism... And, who was the "manifestation" that revealed them? Those "revealed" Scriptures should still be true, since you're saying that only the interpretations were wrong. But I think Baha'is believe the Scriptures themselves have issues, because they were written by the followers of that religion years later. So there is no way to know what the "manifestation" really "revealed". And, you'd think if these Scriptures were "The Word of God" they could be trusted to be true. But Baha'is tell us we can't. And we can't, for sure, take them literally. So if not literal, then what? We have to interpret them allegorically?

So the textbook, the Scriptures, are flawed and, on top of that, the teachers are not teaching "facts" but teaching their flawed interpretation of the flawed Scriptures of their religion. Or, is there Scriptures, other than the Quran and the Baha'i writings, that Baha'is believe to be accurate?

Once a Manifestation of God has completed His Mission on earth, what He revealed is pertinent only until the next Messenger of God appears. Moreover, every time God sends a new Messenger, His Revelation abrogates all the Revelations that came before it and the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is according to the religion that He establishes.

I don't see it. What did Krishna and his teachings have to do with people outside of India? Then was that abrogated by the Bible? Now, if true, I can see how and why the Baha'i teachings would abrogate the teachings of all the other religions. It is the first that could have an effect the whole world. But do you really think all the other religions are going to go away? And speaking of abrogating... In our generation we saw how Eastern religions spread in the U.S. They weren't dead and gone. They brought teachings and spiritual practices that weren't all that known in the West. And will the Baha'i Faith replace those meditation techniques and spiritual practices with something better?

I think what it does replace is the possible, and probable, "superstitious" beliefs of old religions. Like angels, demons, God/men etc. but it replaces them with an invisible, unknowable, unprovable God. and then "manifestations" who are the only ones that can communicate directly with that God. So great... if it's true. But, if it's not true then it just a man saying God told him such and such and we all should just do it, because he said so. Anyway, again thanks for hanging in there. At least some of the other Baha'is pop in once in a while.

 

[firedragon]

No, the grades of a school analogy is much too simplistic. What Baha'is believe might make what was taught in the earlier religions wrong, but not because whatever scriptures that had are wrong when they were revealed, but rather because they were misunderstood and/or mucked up by the followers of those religions since they were revealed. That is one reason religion needs to be renewed in every age.

From my perspective it is really a moot point what the older religions taught because this is the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah and God is not ordering of the affairs of the world through those religions anymore.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

According to Baha'i beliefs by an arrangement of God the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is only according to one religion at a time. Thus each religion only applies to the age (dispensation) in which it is revealed.

Once a Manifestation of God has completed His Mission on earth, what He revealed is pertinent only until the next Messenger of God appears. Moreover, every time God sends a new Messenger, His Revelation abrogates all the Revelations that came before it and the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is according to the religion that He establishes.

I believe that the divine ordering of the affairs of the world is through the latest Manifestation of God and I believe that Manifestation is Baha'u'llah.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 171

Can you give me

1. Which Quranic injunction is lower in grade?
2. Which Bahaullah's writing is higher in grade?
3. Based on what research is it higher in grade?

Specific verses please.

Thanks in advance.

 

[firedragon]

Okay, what are the God revealed Scriptures of Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism... And, who was the "manifestation" that revealed them? Those "revealed" Scriptures should still be true, since you're saying that only the interpretations were wrong. But I think Baha'is believe the Scriptures themselves have issues, because they were written by the followers of that religion years later. So there is no way to know what the "manifestation" really "revealed". And, you'd think if these Scriptures were "The Word of God" they could be trusted to be true. But Baha'is tell us we can't. And we can't, for sure, take them literally. So if not literal, then what? We have to interpret them allegorically?

So the textbook, the Scriptures, are flawed and, on top of that, the teachers are not teaching "facts" but teaching their flawed interpretation of the flawed Scriptures of their religion. Or, is there Scriptures, other than the Quran and the Baha'i writings, that Baha'is believe to be accurate?

I don't see it. What did Krishna and his teachings have to do with people outside of India? Then was that abrogated by the Bible? Now, if true, I can see how and why the Baha'i teachings would abrogate the teachings of all the other religions. It is the first that could have an effect the whole world. But do you really think all the other religions are going to go away? And speaking of abrogating... In our generation we saw how Eastern religions spread in the U.S. They weren't dead and gone. They brought teachings and spiritual practices that weren't all that known in the West. And will the Baha'i Faith replace those meditation techniques and spiritual practices with something better?

I think what it does replace is the possible, and probable, "superstitious" beliefs of old religions. Like angels, demons, God/men etc. but it replaces them with an invisible, unknowable, unprovable God. and then "manifestations" who are the only ones that can communicate directly with that God. So great... if it's true. But, if it's not true then it just a man saying God told him such and such and we all should just do it, because he said so. Anyway, again thanks for hanging in there. At least some of the other Baha'is pop in once in a while.

This is not to be condescending, but the Bahai response is from the Bahai website, which is a proselytising and apologetic website. Thus, their whole knowledge corpus is only that about all of the questions you asked. Honestly I am pretty surprised with your questions since they are actually objective and pertinent. I wish someone attempts to answer them.

That being said, if you intend to prove religions false overall, why not open a new thread that is relevant to that topic?

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

God / Allah - no proof.
Messenger / Manifestation - no proof.
Traditions of bye-gone ages (without any foundation) - Abrahamic religions.
Yeah, corrupt inclination - self-glorification.

I think you maybe having some kind of inbuilt need to bash religions and God concepts in every single thread, relevant or not. In this thread it is not relevant. Since you are in love with this theme of bashing religions, why not open a new thread every time you get this requirement rather than trying to derail every single thread?

 

[Trailblazer]

Okay, what are the God revealed Scriptures of Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism... And, who was the "manifestation" that revealed them? Those "revealed" Scriptures should still be true, since you're saying that only the interpretations were wrong.

But I think Baha'is believe the Scriptures themselves have issues, because they were written by the followers of that religion years later. So there is no way to know what the "manifestation" really "revealed". And, you'd think if these Scriptures were "The Word of God" they could be trusted to be true. But Baha'is tell us we can't. And we can't, for sure, take them literally. So if not literal, then what? We have to interpret them allegorically?

So the textbook, the Scriptures, are flawed and, on top of that, the teachers are not teaching "facts" but teaching their flawed interpretation of the flawed Scriptures of their religion. Or, is there Scriptures, other than the Quran and the Baha'i writings, that Baha'is believe to be accurate?

You just asked me the questions but you already knew the answers. I said "whatever scriptures that they had" because all religions have some kind of scriptures. I think that the Buddhist and Hindu scriptures were written by men who got the information by way of oral tradition. I really don’t know where the Jewish scriptures originated. I do not know how true these scriptures were since they were written by men, not by a Manifestation of God. On top of that some interpretations were wrong. Yes, we have to decide when to interpret literally and when to interpret allegorically. That is true of any scriptures,

As I have posted to you many times, the Qur’an and the Baha'i writings are the only authentic scriptures so they are the only ones I believe are accurate. The statements on official Baha’i positions are in this website:

The Bible: Extracts on the Old and New Testaments

I don't see it. What did Krishna and his teachings have to do with people outside of India? Then was that abrogated by the Bible? Now, if true, I can see how and why the Baha'i teachings would abrogate the teachings of all the other religions. It is the first that could have an effect the whole world. But do you really think all the other religions are going to go away?

I was not saying that God wanted the previous religions to cease to exist whenever a new religion was revealed. I was only saying that from God’s perspective, when God sends a new Messenger God expects people to recognize Him and follow his teachings and laws. However, that did not apply before the Revelation of Baha’u’llah because before that Messengers only came to certain parts of the world and other people in the world did not even know about Him.

Christianity and Islam were the first universalizing religions, ones that see their religion as applicable to everyone. But even though Muhammad came after Jesus that does not mean that God expected Christians to recognize Muhammad and become Muslims back when Muhammad came. The theology of progressive revelation had not even been revealed yet, so probably God intended for all those separate religions to exist until He sent Baha’u’llah to unite religions.

So now that everyone has access to the message of Baha’u’llah that are able to know that they should recognize all the religions that preceded their religion and the ones that came later rather than clinging to their own religion for dear life, as if God is trying to take something away from them. Nobody is trying to rip their precious religion from their arms just because there is a new religion, but Christians just have to be the only way and Jews also believe they are the only true religion. To their credit, at least Muslim recognize Judaism and Christianity as true religions and to my knowledge Buddhism and Hinduism do not even think in terms of being ‘the only true religion.’

And speaking of abrogating... In our generation we saw how Eastern religions spread in the U.S. They weren't dead and gone. They brought teachings and spiritual practices that weren't all that known in the West. And will the Baha'i Faith replace those meditation techniques and spiritual practices with something better?

Abrogation is separate from whether religions continue to exist and spread, or even whether they have beneficial things to offer. When a dispensation is abrogated by a new revelation from God, God is ordering the affairs of the world through the teachings and laws that are revealed by the new Messenger. Although I know that dispensations existed in the past I do not know if they were abrogated by the next dispensation. All I know is what Shoghi Effendi wrote, “the Revelation identified with Bahá’u’lláh abrogates unconditionally all the Dispensations gone before it.” God Passes By, p. 100

I think what it does replace is the possible, and probable, "superstitious" beliefs of old religions. Like angels, demons, God/men etc. but it replaces them with an invisible, unknowable, unprovable God. and then "manifestations" who are the only ones that can communicate directly with that God. So great... if it's true. But, if it's not true then it just a man saying God told him such and such and we all should just do it, because he said so. Anyway, again thanks for hanging in there. At least some of the other Baha'is pop in once in a while.

That is true what you said about what replaces what and also that it is great if it is true. It all hinges on whether Baha’u’llah was who He claimed to be in which case the Baha’i Faith is true, but obviously the converse also applies. It is true or false, I have been saying that since I came to my first forum eight years ago.

Thanks for bringing some things to my attention by your careful analytical thinking, because sometimes I get caught up in a certain way of thinking without considering all the variables. I try to simplify it to make in understandable but it is not always that simple.

 

[Aupmanyav]

When I read the Bahaollah quote posted by @Trailblazer , I see nothing other than self-glorification and denigration of all other religions.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God "should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of by-gone ages rest on no foundations whatever*, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination** .”

* That includes the traditions of all other religions including Islam that Mohammad was sent the last message from Allah. No, he comes with a new message. Actually he claimed to be the sender of prophets (mursil al-rasul).
** That the notions entertained by all religions including Islam have been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.

Actually, it is Bahaollah who should be banned in RF. May be what he said was OK for some fools in Iran in his time, but this is 21st Century.
Bahaollah owed his freedom to nations inimical to his country, the Russians and the Ottomans.

 

[Trailblazer]

When I read the Bahaollah quote posted by @Trailblazer , I see nothing other than self-glorification and denigration of all other religions.

Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone sees what you see? You clearly have a biased view and so not understand what Baha'u'llah meant by what He wrote.

What I see in this forum are many (but not all) Christians denigrating all religions other than Christianity, and that is not based upon a bias, it is an actual fact that can be proven with post content. That exclusivity bothers me a whole lot but I know I have no control over what other people believe and post. If I already know what certain Christians are going to say I avoid reading their posts.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God "should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of by-gone ages rest on no foundations whatever*, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination** .”

* That includes the traditions of all other religions including Islam that Mohammad was sent the last message from Allah.

No, He said "certain traditions" of by-gone ages, not all other religions including Islam.

No, he comes with a new one. Actually he claimed to be the sender of messengers.

No, Baha'u'llah never claimed to be a 'sender' of Messengers. He said that God sends the Messengers.

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you give me

1. Which Quranic injunction is lower in grade?
2. Which Bahaullah's writing is higher in grade?
3. Based on what research is it higher in grade?

Specific verses please.

Thanks in advance.

I do not believe that any injunctions in the Qur'an are lower in grade or that the Writings of Baha'u'llah are higher in grade.