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"Barb-enheimer"

PureX

Veteran Member
I watched the "Barbie" movie a while ago, but just got around to watching the "Oppenheimer" movie last night. And not that anyone cares, but I thought I'd open a thread on it (not aware of any others), so just for kicks ...

So, I was actually quite impressed with the "Barbie" movie. It might be that I was not expecting too much, though, mostly because it seemed like such a silly idea and because 'movie-land' is already so full of idiotic, adolescent, bad fantasy flicks that I just assumed this would be another. And when it was something a bit different, and a bit more, I was pleasantly surprised. Although, to be honest, the artist in me was really more fascinated with the sets and costumes and music, etc., than with the "existential angst" of a Barbie-doll-turned-human.

As a 'cohesive story' I found it a bit disjointed and scattered. But viewed as a succession of weird and funny vignettes, it was really excellent! I actually want to watch it again because those vignettes were so packed full of creative and interesting details and I'm sure I missed a lot. Maybe I'll rent it again, tonight.

"Oppenheimer" also was better than I was expecting. Because it was so long, biographical, political, and 'male-dominated', I was not really looking forward to it. And might not have watched it at all except that I happened to stumble across an interview with the lead actor and that discussion made me curious. So I went ahead and rented it.

It too, as a story arc, was a bit discombobulated. Jumping back and forth in it's own timeline. But the writing and the acting were all really excellent, and that alone is always enough to keep me engaged. And the movie didn't feel long or drawn out until the 'epilogue' part after the bomb was dropped. That got a bit tedious, although again, the writing and acting were fantastic. Very well done.

So I can understand why these two movies did so well at the box office this year. The truth is they were both very good films. I think the writing and acting congrats go more to "Oppenheimer", but the fun and creativity congrats go to "Barbie". And that made them good films to compliment each other instead of competing with each other in the theaters. A lot of people went to see them both. Especially as they both opened at the same time.

So what did you all think of this combination of movies? Likes? Dislikes? Or don't care?
 

Eddi

Believer in God
Premium Member
I enjoyed Barbie, it was good fun

Yet to see Oppenheimer but have only heard good things about it and want to see it someday
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I saw both in the theater and enjoyed them both very, very much, for many different reasons. I found the acting in both to be very good, and I felt that Oppenheimer was written better and acted better actually, but I felt they both were very, very good movies in very, very different ways.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
One thing I wanted to mention just because the Oscars are on tomorrow night.

I am a big Billie Eilish fan and she and Finneas did a fantastic job writing the song for the "Barbie" movie ("What Was I Made For?"). And she has won a whole bunch of awards for it already. And well deserved. But Dua Lipa wrote an epic "disco" style dance tune for the big dance scene in the "Barbie" movie that was also incredibly well done. I don't know which, if either, will get the Oscar for best song in a movie, but I almost hope it's Dua Lipa just because Billie Eilish has swept that category this year at all the other awards shows. And Dua's song really deserves to be recognized.
 
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Yerda

Veteran Member
So what did you all think of this combination of movies? Likes? Dislikes? Or don't care?
Enjoyed them both. Oppenheimer was a bit too long for me but I'd watch it again. Robert Downey Junior was very good. Barbie made me belly laugh a few times and was entertaining from start to finish. I know it rubbed the "shoving feminism down our throats" crowd up the wrong way, which I also like.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Enjoyed them both. Oppenheimer was a bit too long for me but I'd watch it again. Robert Downey Junior was very good. Barbie made me belly laugh a few times and was entertaining from start to finish. I know it rubbed the "shoving feminism down our throats" crowd up the wrong way, which I also like.
Yeah, for me personally, I was really enjoying the humor of the "Barbie" movie, and so wasn't registering any particular feminist dogma. I think it was ABOUT that, but was NOT that, if you know what I mean. And in this climate of constant bickering, I really appreciated a movie that allowed us all to just laugh it for a change. As a male I found that whole "Ken" story-line hilarious! And all the male actors pulled it off so well!
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Ken's line about getting bored of the patriarchy when he realised it wasn't about horses...absolute gold. :tearsofjoy:
 

LadyJane

Member
Great casting. A lot of credit goes to the writing and directing of Christopher Nolan and Greta Gerwig. Perfect timing too. An historical drama about blowing up the world...and a movie about Robert Oppenheimer.

What I enjoyed about Barbie was the way it made fun of male stereotypes as much as female stereotypes. And the laugh out loud moments. Like Weird Barbie, Indigo Girls and using Beach and Patriarchy as verbs.

History and Comedy. Yep. Multiple Watch Worthy.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Yeah, for me personally, I was really enjoying the humor of the "Barbie" movie, and so wasn't registering any particular feminist dogma. I think it was ABOUT that, but was NOT that, if you know what I mean. And in this climate of constant bickering, I really appreciated a movie that allowed us all to just laugh it for a change. As a male I found that whole "Ken" story-line hilarious! And all the male actors pulled it off so well!
I loved all the references to horses.
 

libre

Skylark
Staff member
Premium Member
I have not seen either.
I will probably see Oppenheimer due to Cillian, but I have no attachment to the Barbie franchise.
Some of the conservative reviewers did make it sound cool though.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
I have no interest in seeing Barbie.

I thought Oppenheimer was well acted but a bit shallow. (I also found the largely gratuitous topless scenes mildly irritating.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have no interest in seeing Barbie.

I thought Oppenheimer was well acted but a bit shallow. (I also found the largely gratuitous topless scenes mildly irritating.)
Is it cuz I'm old & cranky that I too am
annoyed by nudity & sex that appear
merely perfunctory & obligatory?
And I'm not finding humans to be
either all that hot or attractive.
Gimme a good story that's well acted!
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
It's a pretty good movie, but there are some scenes that are a little disjointed, unnecessarily breaking the movie up.

My guess is if you ever watched it, you'd probably laugh at some scenes - then be mad at yourself for laughing at them.
Hey I loved me some Barbie as a kid, and spent hours and hours building them houses out of dining room chairs. I really liked the movie but I am glad that Oppenheimer won Best Picture. The Barbie movie was good but not GREAT.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Is it cuz I'm old & cranky that I too am
annoyed by nudity & sex that appear
merely perfunctory & obligatory?
And I'm not finding humans to be
either all that hot or attractive.
Gimme a good story that's well acted!

I'm not sure what you mean by obligatory, but I totally agree with "perfunctory". A dictionary definition is "Done routinely and with little interest or care". I every strongly feel that nudity and sex should be portrayed with lots of interest and care, and as much as possible.

And I'm old and cranky too. My point is that the sex and nudity with extremely attractive women is most unlikely to be offered to me IRL. ;)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not sure what you mean by obligatory, but I totally agree with "perfunctory".
It appears to me that directors believe there
must be some sex & nudity in movies.
Oppenheimer...the story of the man & the
bomb....it needs to have sex scenes?
A dictionary definition is "Done routinely and with little interest or care". I every strongly feel that nudity and sex should be portrayed with lots of interest and care, and as much as possible.

And I'm old and cranky too. My point is that the sex and nudity with extremely attractive women is most unlikely to be offered to me IRL. ;)
I suppose that if I still had that stuff....testosterone,
I think it's called....flowing thru me veins, I'd feel
differently. But I don't want to see the beast with
2 backs.
Hey, look at me quoting Shakespeare!
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
I watched the "Barbie" movie a while ago, but just got around to watching the "Oppenheimer" movie last night. And not that anyone cares, but I thought I'd open a thread on it (not aware of any others), so just for kicks ...

So, I was actually quite impressed with the "Barbie" movie. It might be that I was not expecting too much, though, mostly because it seemed like such a silly idea and because 'movie-land' is already so full of idiotic, adolescent, bad fantasy flicks that I just assumed this would be another. And when it was something a bit different, and a bit more, I was pleasantly surprised. Although, to be honest, the artist in me was really more fascinated with the sets and costumes and music, etc., than with the "existential angst" of a Barbie-doll-turned-human.

As a 'cohesive story' I found it a bit disjointed and scattered. But viewed as a succession of weird and funny vignettes, it was really excellent! I actually want to watch it again because those vignettes were so packed full of creative and interesting details and I'm sure I missed a lot. Maybe I'll rent it again, tonight.

"Oppenheimer" also was better than I was expecting. Because it was so long, biographical, political, and 'male-dominated', I was not really looking forward to it. And might not have watched it at all except that I happened to stumble across an interview with the lead actor and that discussion made me curious. So I went ahead and rented it.

It too, as a story arc, was a bit discombobulated. Jumping back and forth in it's own timeline. But the writing and the acting were all really excellent, and that alone is always enough to keep me engaged. And the movie didn't feel long or drawn out until the 'epilogue' part after the bomb was dropped. That got a bit tedious, although again, the writing and acting were fantastic. Very well done.

So I can understand why these two movies did so well at the box office this year. The truth is they were both very good films. I think the writing and acting congrats go more to "Oppenheimer", but the fun and creativity congrats go to "Barbie". And that made them good films to compliment each other instead of competing with each other in the theaters. A lot of people went to see them both. Especially as they both opened at the same time.

So what did you all think of this combination of movies? Likes? Dislikes? Or don't care?

Saw and enjoyed Barbie on multiple levels. A shout out here for Greta Gerwig, who deserved a best director nomination.

I’m planning to see Oppenheimer, but I have to be the right movie mode first.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Is it cuz I'm old & cranky that I too am
annoyed by nudity & sex that appear
merely perfunctory & obligatory?
And I'm not finding humans to be
either all that hot or attractive.
Gimme a good story that's well acted!
The casting and acting in Oppenheimer was really good. Even the characters that were not central were excellent. My hat's off to all of them.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Saw and enjoyed Barbie on multiple levels. A shout out here for Greta Gerwig, who deserved a best director nomination.

I’m planning to see Oppenheimer, but I have to be the right movie mode first.
I'm really puzzled by why she didn't get it.
 
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